Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:41 pm**

So my son and I went to Ontario to pick up a loader. Kwik-Way loader model number 45-08211. It was on a Wheel horse 520H. We plan to put it on our Case 446, but will see. I’m sure we will find a tractor to mount it on. Hehe.
We have a lot of learning to do. Any way, very quick trip, went to Ottawa from PEI on Friday, picked up the loader, had a great visit with the owner and his wife, then to the motel. Up Saturday morning and came back home. Left Friday morning at 4:00am and back at 6:00pm Saturday.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:43 pm**

Few more pictures.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:06 pm**

@propane1 Was the flow control valve and added bonus?

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:27 pm**

That looks like a great winter project Noel! I’m looking forward to following along with it!

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:00 pm**

Spike188 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:06 pm @propane1 Was the flow control valve and added bonus?

Came with the deal. It’s mounted on that red pump Spike. He had that set up on the loader after he told the original black pump off. I kind of thought if looked familiar. He told why he had it on there. But of course I can’t remember now. But I think it was for so the lift and dump work work at the same speed if both used at the same time. I’m not sure on that.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:22 pm**

The Flow Control spec's for Case GT's was 8 GMP. After market units are typically 5 or 10 and 15 GMP. 10 and 15 GMP flow controls would only use the lower end of the adjustable range. A 15 GMP valve would start retarding speed at just over 50% of the lever sweep. The last 50% of sweep would be a rapid reduction of speed where the first 50% of sweep would not change speed. A 10 GMP unit would have approximately 20% of the lever sweep with no noticeable speed change. A 5 GMP control would theoretically reduce top end speed by 60% at valve totally open.

I have a 10 GMP flow control to add to a 448 used for tilling.

Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:15 am**

Thats awesome Noel . A few points from someone who has put a loader on a 400 series tractor . You do not need to go to the extreams that I did on Frankie because it can lift twice what that can in weight . BUT you will need to make sure that the front tires are a minimum 4 ply and together can carry the weight of the pay load (up to 400 lbs ) plus half the weight of the tractor (400 lbs ) Plus the weight of the loader assembly (guess is about another 400lbs ) . Now a counter balance weight behind the rear wheels will transfer some of that weight to the rear wheels and off the fronts reducing that number . Front wheel bearing will need to be upgraded if you have not already done so . I recommend upgrading steering linkage to Hiem end rod ends and make sure your steering gears are in good shape to deal with the addtional load . Make sure your sub frame attaches to the rear axle as well as the frame in the middle and the front .
It take a little extra time to do these things but you will have a great little loader afterwards .

Have fun .

Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:43 am**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:15 am Thats awesome Noel . A few points from someone who has put a loader on a 400 series tractor . You do not need to go to the extreams that I did on Frankie because it can lift twice what that can in weight . BUT you will need to make sure that the front tires are a minimum 4 ply and together can carry the weight of the pay load (up to 400 lbs ) plus half the weight of the tractor (400 lbs ) Plus the weight of the loader assembly (guess is about another 400lbs ) . Now a counter balance weight behind the rear wheels will transfer some of that weight to the rear wheels and off the fronts reducing that number . Front wheel bearing will need to be upgraded if you have not already done so . I recommend upgrading steering linkage to Hiem end rod ends and make sure your steering gears are in good shape to deal with the addtional load . Make sure your sub frame attaches to the rear axle as well as the frame in the middle and the front .
It take a little extra time to do these things but you will have a great little loader afterwards . Have fun .

Thanks Dave.

Noel

Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:47 pm**

So we mocked up the loader today and we have it sort of figured out where it’s going. Lots to do. Every time you change a setting it changes something else.
Any way. Forward we go.

Noel

Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:20 pm**

It was nice of Case to provide mounting tabs on the rear axle for the subframe .

Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:43 pm**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:20 pm It was nice of Case to provide mounting tabs on the rear axle for the subframe .

Always thought those were to mount a sleeve hitch.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:03 am**

MattA wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:43 pm
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:20 pm It was nice of Case to provide mounting tabs on the rear axle for the subframe .

Always thought those were to mount a sleeve hitch.

Yes they are , but sure are convenient place to mount other stuff . I have torsional rods bolted from there to the frame on Frankie to stabilise the rear axle on the frame under load .

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:37 am**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:03 am
MattA wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:43 pm
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:20 pm It was nice of Case to provide mounting tabs on the rear axle for the subframe .

Always thought those were to mount a sleeve hitch.
Yes they are , but sure are convenient place to mount other stuff . I have torsional rods bolted from there to the frame on Frankie to stabilise the rear axle on the frame under load .

Could you explain torsional rods Dave. And maybe post a few pictures.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:00 am**

Very interested in your thread Noel. The two post lift is an excellent way to look under the GT take measurements for your project.

Harry

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:29 am**

propane1 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:37 am
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:03 am
MattA wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:43 pm

Always thought those were to mount a sleeve hitch.
Yes they are , but sure are convenient place to mount other stuff . I have torsional rods bolted from there to the frame on Frankie to stabilise the rear axle on the frame under load .

Could you explain torsional rods Dave. And maybe post a few pictures.

Noel

This them . They go from the loader subframe cross bar to the sleeve hitch mount . With the loader on the front , weights hanging off the 3pt hitch witch is mounted to the back of the transaxle . They take some stress off the frame to top of transaxle under load , be it push pull or lifting . The cab mounts at the top of the loader frame in the front and to the trans axle with the 3 pt bracket at the rear . Under load I could see the door alignment moving too much before I installed them . Make note , that with the frame being reenforced as well .

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:02 pm**

That’s a terrific idea David. My loaders are all the 600 series GT’s, except for the off color one that will be sold. A great engineering

Harry

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:21 pm**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:29 am
propane1 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:37 am
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:03 am

Yes they are , but sure are convenient place to mount other stuff . I have torsional rods bolted from there to the frame on Frankie to stabilise the rear axle on the frame under load .

Could you explain torsional rods Dave. And maybe post a few pictures.

Noel
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This them . They go from the loader subframe cross bar to the sleeve hitch mount . With the loader on the front , weights hanging off the 3pt hitch witch is mounted to the back of the transaxle . They take some stress off the frame to top of transaxle under load , be it push pull or lifting . The cab mounts at the top of the loader frame in the front and to the trans axle with the 3 pt bracket at the rear . Under load I could see the door alignment moving too much before I installed them . Make note , that with the frame being reenforced as well .

Thanks Dave.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:11 pm**

Could ask @thebuildist how his loader mounts to his 4020PS.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:59 am**

Some more headway on the mounting of the belly frame. All mounted on, not finished thou, but we have so we can now take the loader off and on, so we can move the tractor.
Now, we are not engineers or metal fabricators. So it’s on the way we figured. I’m sure there are different ways. Is all bolted to the tractor, no welding. So it undercarriage can come off and the snowthrower reinstalled, if we want.
The rear points for a sleeve hitch are still useable if we want.

Noel.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:02 am**

That's very well done in my opinion. It looks plenty strong, it can be removed without a trace. Nice job.

One of my design goals was that I wanted to keep the mower deck installed. That meant that the transverse crossmember, which pretty much has to go underneath the factory frame rails, had to be pretty small/low profile, to make room for the deck to raise and lower and not hit it.

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but to do that, the frame rails themselves had to be strong enough to support the weight and torque of that crossmember. So I took some 1/4" thick 4"x2" angle iron and carefully cut and drilled frame rail "skins" that I bolted and plug-welded "scab style" onto each outer side of the factory rails. That took the factory rails from being about 150 thou. thickness to being over 3/8 thickness. And it gave me a nice beefy horizontal flange that the crossmember bolts are hanging from.
Here's a look at the driver's side frame rail right at the base of the steering tower:

It preserves the factory look and feel, which was important to me. And like your subframe, the loader structure can be completely removed for maintenance. Which I've already had to do once. Total pain, but doable.

So I took a route that was more involved and more labor intensive. But yours looks great.

Bob

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:32 am**

Looking good Noel . Sleeve hitch is a good idea . It would give you a place to hang weight off the back that can be lowered to take weight of machine when not in use or as parking brake . I do that with the weight I put on the 3 point hitch on Frankie .

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:05 am**

thebuildist wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:02 am That's very well done in my opinion. It looks plenty strong, it can be removed without a trace. Nice job.

One of my design goals was that I wanted to keep the mower deck installed. That meant that the transverse crossmember, which pretty much has to go underneath the factory frame rails, had to be pretty small/low profile, to make room for the deck to raise and lower and not hit it.

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but to do that, the frame rails themselves had to be strong enough to support the weight and torque of that crossmember. So I took some 1/4" thick 4"x2" angle iron and carefully cut and drilled frame rail "skins" that I bolted and plug-welded "scab style" onto each outer side of the factory rails. That took the factory rails from being about 150 thou. thickness to being over 3/8 thickness. And it gave me a nice beefy horizontal flange that the crossmember bolts are hanging from.
Here's a look at the driver's side frame rail right at the base of the steering tower:

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It preserves the factory look and feel, which was important to me. And like your subframe, the loader structure can be completely removed for maintenance. Which I've already had to do once. Total pain, but doable.

So I took a route that was more involved and more labor intensive. But yours looks great.

Bob

Thank you Bob. We don’t have a mowing deck for this tractor, just the snowthrower. Very nice how you did yours.

Noel

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:12 am**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:32 am Looking good Noel . Sleeve hitch is a good idea . It would give you a place to hang weight off the back that can be lowered to take weight of machine when not in use or as parking brake . I do that with the weight I put on the 3 point hitch on Frankie .

Thanks Dave. I guess I should have bought the sleeve hitch from Eugen when I had the chance. Oh well. Funny how things change. My son and I will make some thing for the rear someday. I’d like to do some tree pulling someday, cut tree down and hook to a type of sleeve hitch and lift the tree up a bit and drag it out.

Noel

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:17 am**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:03 am
MattA wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:43 pm
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:20 pm It was nice of Case to provide mounting tabs on the rear axle for the subframe .

Always thought those were to mount a sleeve hitch.
Yes they are , but sure are convenient place to mount other stuff . I have torsional rods bolted from there to the frame on Frankie to stabilise the rear axle on the frame under load .

Me too. If you're hanging very much off of your sleeve hitch or three point hitch, that's a lot of rotational force on that rear transaxle. And the frame is terribly thin where it bolts to the rear transaxle.

If you intend to use the back end of your tractor for any kind of heavy work, I heartily recommend this mod.

Represented by the blue rods in the drawing that I posted earlier.
On my machine those blue rods are 1 in solid round bar. But it wouldn't need to be that beefy. That's just what I had on hand.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:32 pm**

propane1 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:12 am
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:32 am Looking good Noel . Sleeve hitch is a good idea . It would give you a place to hang weight off the back that can be lowered to take weight of machine when not in use or as parking brake . I do that with the weight I put on the 3 point hitch on Frankie .
Thanks Dave. I guess I should have bought the sleeve hitch from Eugen when I had the chance. Oh well. Funny how things change. My son and I will make some thing for the rear someday. I’d like to do some tree pulling someday, cut tree down and hook to a type of sleeve hitch and lift the tree up a bit and drag it out.

Noel

There not hard to make . I saw plans for one somewhere .

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:33 am**

So a little done today. And we are leaning now to use a separate pump to run the loader. So we we’ll see on that. Put another plate in today. We may put a brace from where my hand is from our frame work to the tractor frame. But we’ll see about that too. Once things are done. Arms from uprights to front of tractor will brace things up good. Still have to do that yet. And figure on pump mounting.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Oct 19, 2024 12:56 pm**

On to the upright braces. More fabricating.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Oct 20, 2024 6:33 am**

Son is getting more done. The front bracket to hold the upright tower bracing arms is done. It’s unboltable and is very solid. Mounting a pump will be next.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Oct 20, 2024 8:12 pm**

Wow you guys are moving right along! This thing is going to ready to go to work in no time!

Posted: **Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:43 am**

i like how you split the load over both sides of the front axle .

Posted: **Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:01 pm**

Thanks Dave.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:46 pm**

So not much going on with the loader lately, but my son is getting a Farmall A or Cub to work on and the Case 446 and loader were sorta in the way. Loader not on the tractor, so hard to move around. So we figured we would put the loader on the tractor and jerry rig it so the loader was up of the ground so we could move it around as a unit. Will be a few more weeks before we get back to it.
Today was snow tire day too. Got a couple done.

Noel.

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:17 am**

Noel , When you get it finnished and get some testing in . Let me know how you find the tri-rib tires work with the loader . I have been thing about a set .

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:50 am**

Noel, sounds like the seasonal shuffle. I’ve got to do that yet and I’m hoping the snow doesn’t start before I complete the task. David, I have tri-ribs on the front of the 646. I noticed easier steering but I can honestly say I haven’t had a real heavy load on the bucket. I seem to go to the 644 lbh when I need a loader.

Harry

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:13 am**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:17 am Noel , When you get it finnished and get some testing in . Let me know how you find the tri-rib tires work with the loader . I have been thing about a set .

I will Dave. But I can say, most of my tractors have those tires on the front. Steering traction in the snow. The LGT 165 Ford I have had turf tires on the front. In the snow if you were stuck and you had the tires turned right or left, and were trying to turn the tractor out of the stuck position in the bank, and the tractor would move forward and backwards a few feet, you could not steer out of the bank with the turf tires. They would just slide straight. The three rib tires changed all that. No more sliding straight, you could drive out the stuck location into the clearing you made on the last pass. Steering tractor is just as important as rear driving traction.

And you had mentioned 4 ply front tires, and that’s what these are.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:18 am**

Harry wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:50 am Noel, sounds like the seasonal shuffle. I’ve got to do that yet and I’m hoping the snow doesn’t start before I complete the task. David, I have tri-ribs on the front of the 646. I noticed easier steering but I can honestly say I haven’t had a real heavy load on the bucket. I seem to go to the 644 lbh when I need a loader. Harry

Yes Harry. Easier steering is one thing, less width means less resistance to push though stuff too. All thou, I don’t know what size your tire are. The ones I use are much less width than the standard turf tire.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:29 pm**

propane1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:18 am
Harry wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:50 am Noel, sounds like the seasonal shuffle. I’ve got to do that yet and I’m hoping the snow doesn’t start before I complete the task. David, I have tri-ribs on the front of the 646. I noticed easier steering but I can honestly say I haven’t had a real heavy load on the bucket. I seem to go to the 644 lbh when I need a loader. Harry
Yes Harry. Easier steering is one thing, less width means less resistance to push though stuff too. All thou, I don’t know what size your tire are. The ones I use are much less width than the standard turf tire.

Noel

stock 6.5x16 -8 on the blower tractor and 5.70-8 trailer tires on Frankie

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:28 am**

Sooooo, we got a little more done to the Case 446 and loader install. Put in a couple of uprights on the loader frame to take the movement out when lifting the loader and the tipping out of the frame when push down on one side of the bucket and lift on the other side. Nice a solid now.
And we got the pump in the frame work, just setting there. Had to take some of the loader frame down so we could get the pump in there.

never thought about that when making frame. Could have cut the loader frame and got pump in, but didn’t want to weaken frame. Hoping to mount pump to tractor, so in case the loader frame has to come off, the pump just stays on the tractor.
So it’s a start at it again. Will be a long process yet. As there is to many things to do, and spring is quickly coming.

Noel

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2025 6:05 am**

Looking good Noel . You will love having it ,so handy .

Posted: **Sat May 03, 2025 3:30 pm**

Loader up date. Into the garden digging dirt. Woo hoo.

So we got it going today. Works great. Digging in the dirt. Moved a bucket load of split hardwood. Still have to grease the nipples on the loader. But did lube things with some oil. Still have to paint touch ups. Need toget a good breather for it too. And we may use it a little to make sure it’s gunna be good. Sure is very accurate movements fast or very slow. I like that.

Noel

Posted: **Sat May 03, 2025 7:06 pm**

Couple more pictures of the loader diggin.

Noel

Posted: **Sun May 04, 2025 6:04 am**

That is awesome Noel . They are a great little loaders . Have fun.

Posted: **Sun May 04, 2025 8:39 am**

Noel your sure going to enjoy this loader and saves the back too.

Harry

Posted: **Sun May 04, 2025 8:57 am**

Yes Harry. Got plans to move two snowblowers an a 50” mowing deck, already.

Noel

Posted: **Sun May 04, 2025 10:02 pm**

Congratulations Noel

looks like that project worked out great! Looking at the pictures it seems like that is an oversized bucket but is looks like the tractor handles it fine.
Like Harry said that is going to be one heck of a back saver!

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2025 3:30 am**

Looking at manuals, pictures and you tube videos Jeff, it looks original. It’s 40” wide. My rear tires are almost an inch wider than the bucket. Fella I got it from bought it new.

Noel

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2025 6:05 am**

That is a OEM bucket for that loader set up . I have worked on them before . Strong little loaders , but need to watch the weight on the front axle and wheel bearings .

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2025 9:11 am**

Yes sir Dave. That’s for sure. Thanks.

Noel

Posted: **Tue May 06, 2025 5:16 pm**

Noel that's quite the loader on your tractor. How high does it lift? 8 feet? How's the rear end traction with the bucket full?

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2025 6:38 am**

Hi Matt. I’d be guessing 7’ but I never measured it. Have not use it much yet. But the little I did, was not much trouble going ahead, but if your pointing down hill a little it’s a little harder to back up. As with any two wheel drive tractor, backing up hill is not there strong point. I did put my winter weight back on. Only 50 lbs, might help a little. So will be trying to figure out a weight system with out being to far out the back of the tractor.

Noel

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2025 12:52 pm**

Little bit more painting done. It’s just a quick wiff. But it’s black and don’t look to bad. And it’s a loader. It’s gunna get used looking.

Noel

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2025 7:53 pm**

propane1 wrote: ↑Wed May 07, 2025 6:38 am Hi Matt. I’d be guessing 7’ but I never measured it. Have not use it much yet. But the little I did, was not much trouble going ahead, but if your pointing down hill a little it’s a little harder to back up. As with any two wheel drive tractor, backing up hill is not there strong point. I did put my winter weight back on. Only 50 lbs, might help a little. So will be trying to figure out a weight system with out being to far out the back of the tractor.

Noel

Biggest thing I found is to split the weight between the wheels and the frame . Also remember the farther out front the load the more leverage there is . Same goes for the rear
How much wheel weight do you have ?

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2025 8:02 pm**

75 lbs per wheel Dave.

Noel.

Posted: **Wed May 07, 2025 9:15 pm**

propane1 wrote: ↑Wed May 07, 2025 8:02 pm 75 lbs per wheel Dave.

Noel.

I would recommend you double that .

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