Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

While I am waiting for this to harden . I got some more apart for clean up and repairs , and found this under the grime . Looks like high nickle rod on the top .
Note, the solid pin welded in place and the plate steel on the bottom of the axle pin welded on the back side too

I can't imagine what it took to brake this axle like that . There is no signs of a loader ever being on it or any other damage . Just typical wear in the steering system I have to fix . Thoughts ????

Dave

ho wow! Dave, the front spindles would have given up way before the axle, if it was damage from a loader. Most likely hitting a stationary object, I think. Or falling off some height. Impact of that type is a serious danger to cast iron parts.

Looks pretty well done, the fix though. You intend this tractor to be on snowcaster duty, right? Probably the fix would hold just fine for that, but it might bother you just knowing it's there, and not knowing how well it was fixed. If I were you and had another axle on hand I'd replace this one, just for piece of mind. My 2c

HI Guys
I just know the PO said "did I do that"
The PO hit something hard that's for sure
Not saying that I'd hit any things Iike trees or stums that turned me sideways
no not me.
I have seen a few bent front axles in my day

cc

Eugen wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:28 pm ho wow! Dave, the front spindles would have given up way before the axle, if it was damage from a loader. Most likely hitting a stationary object, I think. Or falling off some height. Impact of that type is a serious danger to cast iron parts.

Looks pretty well done, the fix though. You intend this tractor to be on snowcaster duty, right? Probably the fix would hold just fine for that, but it might bother you just knowing it's there, and not knowing how well it was fixed. If I were you and had another axle on hand I'd replace this one, just for piece of mind. My 2c

Ya snowblower / plow blade and ya the spindles are good , there was a little twist on the right side that they all seam to have I have already fixed . The weld is on the left at the top. It is a good thing the axles are Cast steel and not cast iron . I hoping it will be ok as I don't have another 4 series front axle . I put that one on the BOF. Plus cutting that pin out with out butchering the frame would be a job and a half . If it come down to it I can make a new one .

Dave

crazycase wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:40 pm HI Guys
I just know the PO said "did I do that"
The PO hit something hard that's for sure
Not saying that I'd hit any things Iike trees or stums that turned me sideways
no not me.
I have seen a few bent front axles in my day

cc

Bent and twisted I have seen and fixed , pins ect. But to break the front axle . Holy cow, I had the back wheels off the ground with Frankie using the loader before I put the Super Duty front axle in and didn't even bend it and the thing weighs in 2314 lbs with me in it . That a lot of force on the front axle . Boggles my mind . I must be missing something .

Dave

well Dave, as much as it would be very interesting to know how it was broken, I guess just rub some dirt on it and durability test it. See what kind of a weld job the PO did.

A previous owner of a 4120PS snapped the spindle off at the inside bearing. His method of destruction was leave the tractor sitting in a low spot where water ponded. When winter set in and the pond was frozen. he decided to sell the neglected toy so with a 4 X 4 and chain the 4120 was towed to the front yard, leaving one front wheel and spindle in the ice cube. He waited until spring thaw before adding the wheel and spindle to the pile of 4120 parts for sale.


Spike

Spike188 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:40 pm A previous owner of a 4120PS snapped the spindle off at the inside bearing. His method of destruction was leave the tractor sitting in a low spot where water ponded. When winter set in and the pond was frozen. he decided to sell the neglected toy so with a 4 X 4 and chain the 4120 was towed to the front yard, leaving one front wheel and spindle in the ice cube. He waited until spring thaw before adding the wheel and spindle to the pile of 4120 parts for sale.


Spike

OMG

CC

Spike188 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:40 pm A previous owner of a 4120PS snapped the spindle off at the inside bearing. His method of destruction was leave the tractor sitting in a low spot where water ponded. When winter set in and the pond was frozen. he decided to sell the neglected toy so with a 4 X 4 and chain the 4120 was towed to the front yard, leaving one front wheel and spindle in the ice cube. He waited until spring thaw before adding the wheel and spindle to the pile of 4120 parts for sale.


Spike

Make me wounder if something similar happened here .

Dave

Timj wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:37 pm well Dave, as much as it would be very interesting to know how it was broken, I guess just rub some dirt on it and durability test it. See what kind of a weld job the PO did.

Ya , I think when I have more of it stripped down I will do a static load test with 4 ton porta power. If it is good , great . If it breaks I will know where I stand .

Dave

All I can say is not allowed on the site! I've never in my days of Case ownership seen anything like that. Like you said Dave they are Cast Steel, so they can be welded but still a lot of work. Maybe you can find a replacement.

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Harry

Harry wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:24 am All I can say is not allowed on the site! I've never in my days of Case ownership seen anything like that. Like you said Dave they are Cast Steel, so they can be welded but still a lot of work. Maybe you can find a replacement.

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Harry

All I can say is not allowed on the site!
Sorry Harry , not sure what you mean by this .

If the solid pin was not welded solid on both side I would remove for better look . I have never seen the like of this on a Case from any of the sights .

Dave

@DavidBarkey see if holds at all or I'll give you an axle from the parts tractor I got in Wainfleet that I was thinking to make an articulated something,

Wow...that's some serious carnage. Can't imagine what would have caused it (maybe what Spike described - also crazy!) Welding the pin is the icing on the cake.

Sad that some of these machines have lived such a hard and abusive life. One of my 444's is a little rough around the edges, glad most of its abuse was spared and taken by the blade it came with (I'd never seen something with so many weld repairs before). Was glad to find another blade with a more intact mount.

On the other hand I doubt that there's a single "lawn and garden tractor" on the market these days that would last with even 10% of the damage Dave's machine did. Or would it be possible to fix it yourself if that were the case.

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DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:09 am

Timj wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:37 pm well Dave, as much as it would be very interesting to know how it was broken, I guess just rub some dirt on it and durability test it. See what kind of a weld job the PO did.

Ya , I think when I have more of it stripped down I will do a static load test with 4 ton porta power. If it is good , great . If it breaks I will know where I stand .

Dave

I think that's a good plan. You're definitely right, that pin is not going to be any fun to get out. But if you need to, now is the best time with the tractor stripped down.
If axle weld passes the test, I know you'll never abuse it enough to break it, or where the pin out.
It's never easy.
Tim

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:33 am

Harry wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:24 am All I can say is not allowed on the site! I've never in my days of Case ownership seen anything like that. Like you said Dave they are Cast Steel, so they can be welded but still a lot of work. Maybe you can find a replacement.

Keep the Peace
Harry

All I can say is not allowed on the site!
Sorry Harry , not sure what you mean by this .

If the solid pin was not welded solid on both side I would remove for better look . I have never seen the like of this on a Case from any of the sights .

Dave

Dave I was referring to four letter words! LOL

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Harry

Harry wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:57 am

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:33 am

Harry wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:24 am All I can say is not allowed on the site! I've never in my days of Case ownership seen anything like that. Like you said Dave they are Cast Steel, so they can be welded but still a lot of work. Maybe you can find a replacement.

Keep the Peace
Harry

All I can say is not allowed on the site!
Sorry Harry , not sure what you mean by this .

If the solid pin was not welded solid on both side I would remove for better look . I have never seen the like of this on a Case from any of the sights .

Dave

Dave I was referring to four letter words! LOL

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Harry

Sorry Harry , The elevator still goes to the top but is in maintenance mode most of the time and isn't aloud passengers still these days

Dave

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:32 am

Harry wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:57 am

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:33 am All I can say is not allowed on the site!
Sorry Harry , not sure what you mean by this .

If the solid pin was not welded solid on both side I would remove for better look . I have never seen the like of this on a Case from any of the sights .

Dave

Dave I was referring to four letter words! LOL

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Harry

Sorry Harry , The elevator still goes to the top but is in maintenance mode most of the time and isn't aloud passengers still these days

Dave

No problem Dave. Glad to hear your on the mend. God Bless!

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Harry

He's clearly on the mend Harry, as I keep trying to tell Dave that one of my tractors was left at his place and he forgot about it due to his head bang, but he said no such thing happened. There goes my attempt to take advantage of his memory loss

1/4" #30 chain max work load 1300lbs / minimum breaking 5200lbs as per charts
Did not go to max on Pp ( 4ton) , stopped when chain started to stretch .
Passed the stress test . Who ever did it Knew what they were doing . I just wish they hadn't welded the pin in .
Good enough for me .

Dave