Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

For one of them I've yet to decide if they go on the 644 or the 446.

They are rated at max 620 lbs per tire. The 644 is rated at around 1130 lbs with a lift limit of 938 lbs. Assuming all the weight on the loader is on the front tires, and assuming 1/2 the weight of the tractor is also on the front tires, that's already 938 + 1130 / 2 = 1503 lbs. Way more than the max limit of the tires, which is 1240 lbs. I mean, I don't think I'll every attempt to lift 900 lbs. But still.

I was hoping to use the 644 for both loader duty and garden duty. For garden duty I really wanted to have these ag tires at the front, but the weight limit on them doesn't look so good for loader duty. For a tractor that does both garden and loader most recommended tires are the 3 ribs type, but I could not find any in this size.

With no PS on the 644 I’d almost be tempted to run something tall and narrow. They do look good with 18x8.50-8’s though. V61’s are my favourite tire for 2wd tractors


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mac102004 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:55 am With no PS on the 644 I’d almost be tempted to run something tall and narrow. They do look good with 18x8.50-8’s though. V61’s are my favourite tire for 2wd tractors


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Yeah but 5 rib keeping the tractor going straight in the garden... I have a hard time seeing that happening.

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mac102004 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:55 am With no PS on the 644 I’d almost be tempted to run something tall and narrow. They do look good with 18x8.50-8’s though. V61’s are my favourite tire for 2wd tractors


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Yeah but 5 rib keeping the tractor going straight in the garden... I have a hard time seeing that happening.

You’d be surprised, they work extremely well. Lot deeper tread than the stock “rib” tires.


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I do not think you will enjoy steering those wheels.

The stock tire works and there are reasons why it works. It being skinny presents just one edge when turning with a tread that is the same as bald. And narrow tires are as easy as it gets for being able to turn. Pretty much any other tire will be harder to turn.

You do not see old farm tractors with manual steering and wide front tires. They all run narrow tires just like the original front tires for several reasons.

ssmewing wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:12 pm I do not think you will enjoy steering those wheels.

The stock tire works and there are reasons why it works. It being skinny presents just one edge when turning with a tread that is the same as bald. And narrow tires are as easy as it gets for being able to turn. Pretty much any other tire will be harder to turn.

You do not see old farm tractors with manual steering and wide front tires. They all run narrow tires just like the original front tires for several reasons.

Yes, I know. I'd have liked 5.70 three ribs tires more, but try and find that.

If they'll be terrible the 446 gets them and goes back to garden duty. Then my wife will accept we can't sell the 446 because the 644 can't do everything.

I just use 6 ply trailer tires on Frankie . Can be had in a lot small sizes . Cheap and last a long time .
Dave

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:42 am I just use 6 ply trailer tires on Frankie . Can be had in a lot small sizes . Cheap and last a long time .
Dave

And no trouble keeping the tractor going straight when you do garden stuff?

You have different rims than a 6xx in front right?

Eugen wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:28 am

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:42 am I just use 6 ply trailer tires on Frankie . Can be had in a lot small sizes . Cheap and last a long time .
Dave

And no trouble keeping the tractor going straight when you do garden stuff?

You have different rims than a 6xx in front right?

The original axle had size for size , but the new super duty axle has ones on it now are a little narrower . As long as don't have too many hop based lubricants the rows are straight .
Dave

Eugen, when you say "keeping the tractor going straight", is the front being pushed/pulled around by the implement your pulling or you can't turn when you want, or both. Probably both.

Is lack of front weight part of the issue?

I don't have a front weight, and have issues when I have my Hydra bagger on on the hilly parts of my lawn.
I've been meaning to build something, but never seem to get to it.
Tim

ÀH guy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:02 am Eugen, when you say "keeping the tractor going straight", is the front being pushed/pulled around by the implement your pulling or you can't turn when you want, or both. Probably both.

Is lack of front weight part of the issue?

I don't have a front weight, and have issues when I have my Hydra bagger on on the hilly parts of my lawn.
I've been meaning to build something, but never seem to get to it.
Tim

Tim, with the 446 I think I never had enough front weight in the garden, as it often went nose up. Shouldn't be the case with the 644 as I can load the bucket with a lot of weight.

Eugen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:41 pm

ÀH guy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:02 am Eugen, when you say "keeping the tractor going straight", is the front being pushed/pulled around by the implement your pulling or you can't turn when you want, or both. Probably both.

Is lack of front weight part of the issue?

I don't have a front weight, and have issues when I have my Hydra bagger on on the hilly parts of my lawn.
I've been meaning to build something, but never seem to get to it.
Tim

Tim, with the 446 I think I never had enough front weight in the garden, as it often went nose up. Shouldn't be the case with the 644 as I can load the bucket with a lot of weight.

That is me too. Don't do much in the garden so I slide around or do wheelies and tolerate it. .
The loader out front should help, and the right amount of ballast should help you find the sweet spot between steering and traction.

I must say wheelies with Frankie is not a problem as such . The front end does get light when dragging the disks with the loader removed . It helps a lot that the frame is 9" longer in the middle and the extra frame reinforcements , larger hydro tank exc. and loader towers are all ahead of the rear wheels .
The trailer wheels are 5.7 -8 6ply on 5 bolt rims
Dave

ÀH guy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:02 am I don't have a front weight, and have issues when I have my Hydra bagger on on the hilly parts of my lawn.
I've been meaning to build something, but never seem to get to it.
Tim

I've got the same problem. I kind of assumed if I didn't have this little 16HP vanguard motor under the hood and had a big old Onan, the front end would stay down better. I bought a bracket to hold two suitcase weights which I could mount to the decks mule drive but decided not to go that route. I bought some older Craftsman zero turn front weights which I planed to mount to the front of my tractor but never got there either. The weights are actually a configurable weight stack. 35lbs cast weight + 3x 5lb steel plates.

Before getting the 644 I had plans to weld something to a mule drive on the 446 so I could put some of the big tractor weights. If the 644 doesn't work well in the garden I'll do it and report any improvement if so.