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New addition to the family
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2022 11:55 pm
by Timj
Been looking for a second tractor for a while. Knowing I don't have time for a major project, want something to use so I can do some work on the 4118, and

is not going to let there be to many tractors, I've been patiently looking for the right one. My list was a '75-'76 446, hood scoop 448, or a 446/448 black frame.
Today I went and looked at this black frame and it followed me home.
Original owner, bought it new in May 1984. Included all the manuals and paper work. 591 hours. Needs some PTO clutch adjustment, included bag of new parts. Engine sounds good.
I guess we'll find out how good when I can put it to work.

Tim
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2022 11:59 pm
by Jancoe
Sharp looking black frame. I've always wanted a black frame also. Looks clean.
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Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 7:02 am
by Harry
Nice looking tractor Tim. I really like the white wheels seat and deck, it accents the orange and black. I can see your on your way to nice collection!
Keep the Peace
Harry
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 7:21 am
by DavidBarkey
I like the look of the contrasting colours . Nice find .
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:09 am
by Eugen
Congrats
@Timj ! Very nice tractor and what a shape it is in!
Now I know why the black frame 226 I once had came with a white deck!
I'm looking forward to see your new tractor at work!
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:14 am
by propane1
Nice tractor Tim. But if you buy all the same colour tractors, the

won’t know any different.
Noel
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:16 am
by DavidBarkey
Propane57 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:14 am
Nice tractor Tim. But if you buy all the same colour tractors, the

won’t know any different.
Noel
right up until she see them all together at the same time . The you will have to convince her she is seeing double.

Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:22 am
by Chad
Very nice Tim, looks great! I'm sure the owner was happy to see it go to a fellow enthusiast.
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Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:07 am
by MattA
Congrads Tim. Post some more pictures when you have time.
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:08 pm
by Timj
Thanks for all the replies, been crazy busy.
@Eugen it was actually your 226 that woke me up to their cool looks.
@Propane57 and
@DavidBarkey not much gets past

she runs the tractors and knows what's going on.

once in awhile I can get away with the "oh that's been around for awhile" but not often.
@Chad I do think the PO were happy to see it go to someone that cared. Said the only callers were low ballers and mostly from far off. They had bought a new zero turn. There yard wasn't that big for this size of tractor.
I'll get some pics when I get it out in some daylight.
I took it out and cut a little wet grass the other night just to scratch the itch. Started mowing and thought cuts good, then got into some thicker grass and the deck belt started to slip. Tonight I got a few minutes to get the deck off and opened up.

this is what I found
Got that straightened out and started making a list and filling my shopping cart with needed parts.

Tim
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:01 am
by thebuildist
I find that if you're going to ignore the factory engineered tensioning, belt length, and routing, then you'd might as well go whole-hog and just put a different belt style on there too.
Maybe a cogged timing belt? Or a multi-groove serpentine belt?
Heck, I'll bet a round leather sewing machine belt would LOOK GREAT on there!
And work just about as well as this will.

Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 1:11 pm
by Timj
thebuildist wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:01 am
I find that if you're going to ignore the factory engineered tensioning, belt length, and routing, then you'd might as well go whole-hog and just put a different belt style on there too.
Maybe a cogged timing belt? Or a multi-groove serpentine belt?
Heck, I'll bet a round leather sewing machine belt would LOOK GREAT on there!
And work just about as well as this will.
I was totally surprised, you can see the notes written on it. The manuals are full of notes too. The belt was changed 5/20 and there's a perfect picture in the manual.

My thinking is poor performance from this deck and the PTO needing adjustment led to selling this tractor.

Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:24 pm
by Timj
Got little time to work on the tractor tonight. Tightened the ez adjust clutch, yep that's all it needed, snaps right in and stays in now. The gap was close to an eighth of an inch. The PO said she was just holding it in with her foot on the lever, must have been kinda uncomfortable mowing.
Tightened the motor mounts, all were loose.
Moved the seat back.
Put the deck back on and cut some tall wet grass, no more belt slipping.

Tim
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:40 pm
by Eugen
Great news Tim! You really scored with this tractor!

Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:36 pm
by Timj
I think I did alright on this one.

Hopefully nothing major unexpected pops up. Little things are to be expected. For $1300. I can fix a few things.
I think the PO's were genuine, just didn't have the ability or want to fix it. They seemed to have really liked it. Basic maintenance was always done.
Going to do oil change and then it's off to the shop to mow the jungle there.

Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:13 pm
by Timj
After mowing today I gave them a little bath.

Been a bit dry and man were they dusty.

the first time they've been out together on a nice day.
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:51 pm
by propane1
Looks great Tim. Hopefully they got along alright.
Noel
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:56 pm
by Timj
Propane57 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:51 pm
Looks great Tim. Hopefully they got along alright.
Noel
I kept them in separate bays in the shed for a while before I put them together. They seem to be getting along.

Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:35 pm
by DavidBarkey
Is that where 200 series came from , two 400 series parked in the same shed unsupervised ?

Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:38 pm
by Timj
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:53 pm
by puttputt
A very nice looking pair of tractors indeed!!

Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:11 pm
by propane1
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:13 pm
by thebuildist
Great looking machines!
Bob
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:33 pm
by Eugen
Great picture of the two beasts!!
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:36 pm
by Timj
Crawled under the 448 while the deck is off and look things over. Thought holy moly they even put white hydraulic hoses on the back frame.
There's not a piece of the rubber jacket left on the hoses, but not leaking, yet.

Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:46 pm
by JSinMO
Well, at least you don’t have to wonder what your next project will be! I wonder how long they can last?
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:12 pm
by Timj
JSinMO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:46 pm
Well, at least you don’t have to wonder what your next project will be! I wonder how long they can last?
They were kinda my main reason for getting under there.
Pretty sure they are the original from 1984. Tractor only had the deck on it's entire life, bet a front blade or a plow on a sleeve hitch would find a weak spot.

Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:33 pm
by Eugen
Tim, are they regular bendy hydraulic hoses or rigid and you need to get oem?
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:58 pm
by Timj
Eugen wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:33 pm
Tim, are they regular bendy hydraulic hoses or rigid and you need to get oem?
They have a piece of steel line that loops off the TCV then transitions to hose above the frame. Same as the 4118.
Should be able to just run regular hose, just a little longer to make loop.
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:49 am
by DavidBarkey
Those steel tube ended hoses can be reproduced by cutting the tube section off and flaring it with a JIC nut and just have hose made to suit . Some of those hoses are JIC female tube on one end and NPT male on the other . At a hose maker in Barrie I saw extra long tube fittings for hoses that look like they could be bent into any shape needed. I didn't have time to ask the guy about them .
@FUTZ Know more on this subject than anyone I know . Maybe Ian can enlighten us on this . Would be good to know for restoration work , or custom stuff.
Re: New addition to the family
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:52 am
by Timj
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:49 am
Those steel tube ended hoses can be reproduced by cutting the tube section off and flaring it with a JIC nut and just have hose made to suit . Some of those hoses are JIC female tube on one end and NPT male on the other . At a hose maker in Barrie I saw extra long tube fittings for hoses that look like they could be bent into any shape needed. I didn't have time to ask the guy about them .
@FUTZ Know more on this subject than anyone I know . Maybe Ian can enlighten us on this . Would be good to know for restoration work , or custom stuff.
The replacement hoses offered by the dealers have eliminated the steel tube and added a 90° el on the hose and a 45°el fitting.