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Re: Zero turn mowers

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Toolslinger wrote: Thu Jul 17, 2025 4:54 pm

I've never run a non-Walker, so I can't speak to it that much. I have always thought it looked like it would be uncomfortable having your arms up, and pushing all the time, but obviously that's what most units use, so perhaps that opinion is ill-formed.

I really haven’t found having my arms up on the controls much of a problem. I rest my elbows on the arms rest most of the time. I usually mow 2 to 3 hours with out fatigue.

Another one with the mower deck out in front is the Grasshopper brand. I’d guess it’s probably more stable on hillsides than a mid mount, but as said it also would take up more real estate in the garage. There pretty long.

I agree with what the other guys said too. Id go drive a few and see what you think. If they want to sell a mower surely they’d let you take it for a spin.
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A friend of mine has a Scag that is going to let me try out. I’ll report back with my findings. There is a Scag dealer not to far from my location that also sells Walkers. I should go and visit them just to gather information. :peace: Harry
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A front deck might give you the best of both worlds. My dad cut 3 acres with an JD F935 with a 72" deck for 10+ years. Not a zero turn, but you can circle a mature tree. Easy to drive with a steering wheel and foot control. Diesel and great on fuel.
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FUTZ wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 11:53 am A front deck might give you the best of both worlds. My dad cut 3 acres with an JD F935 with a 72" deck for 10+ years. Not a zero turn, but you can circle a mature tree. Easy to drive with a steering wheel and foot control. Diesel and great on fuel.
A 72” is probably to wide for my application. I’m thinking more like 60”. :peace: Harry
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myerslawnandgarden wrote: Thu Jul 17, 2025 7:03 pm Thinking of other controls for ztr mowers, Snapper comes to mind which I think was made by Country Clipper. They drove/steered with a single joystick control operated by your right hand like a video game would have. I never operated one, but it always seemed like a pretty neat design.

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Re: Zero turn mowers

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I vote for a ZTR as well. I run the ORIGINAL ZTR - Dixon mowers out of Kansas and I run the OLD friction - cone drive transmission models.
Moving Lawn.JPG
(thats from 2007, the one I run today has a Kawaski FB460 engine and the two piece body design)

Since no one seems to understand how to fix them, I do, and I keep picking them up for less than $100 in need of a belt or sprocket. My units are all 42" mid center deck. I mow 2 1/3 acres that is all flat ground.

I have one of these https://www.amazon.com/VEVOR-Suspension ... GNCJQ?th=1 spring loaded suspensions under the seat, it saves on the Chiropractor bills.

The failing of the Dixon is the smallish rear tires. Larger tires IMO would give better traction, I tend to spin the tires on turns. But I've been using Dixons since ohhh the 1980's ??

One final thought, Pay attention to the brand - quality of the ENGINE on your mower. I had a lot of the Dixon's with Briggs 12 HP vertical shaft engines, and they just don't last. My Neighbor has a nearly new Yellow (Cub Cadet from Home Depot) ZTR with a Kohler(?) - Chinese twin cylinder on it, and he can NOT keep the POS running, I have even looked at it and I cannot figure it out. The engine has the OSHA - EPA after fire solenoid crap in the carb, and it just creates no end of problems.

The Kawaski FB460 on my current machine is rock solid, and yes, its an old FLAT HEAD, 14 HP but its solid. The best desk, hydro's and tires do nothing for you if the bleeping engine won't run. or drinks oil, etc.
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I've looked at adding those seat suspensions to my 4016. Wasn't sure I'd like the increased seat height. Ended up dropping the tire pressure to about 6lbs. The real problem is I need a few truck loads of loam and an Ingersoll loader to level out my lawn.

Those low end Cub Cadet zero turns don't even have seat springs. They have some cheap bump stops. People add springs to the seats...
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sdunt wrote: Thu Jul 31, 2025 3:28 pm I vote for a ZTR as well. I run the ORIGINAL ZTR - Dixon mowers out of Kansas and I run the OLD friction - cone drive transmission models.

Moving Lawn.JPG

(thats from 2007, the one I run today has a Kawaski FB460 engine and the two piece body design)

Since no one seems to understand how to fix them, I do, and I keep picking them up for less than $100 in need of a belt or sprocket. My units are all 42" mid center deck. I mow 2 1/3 acres that is all flat ground.

I have one of these https://www.amazon.com/VEVOR-Suspension ... GNCJQ?th=1 spring loaded suspensions under the seat, it saves on the Chiropractor bills.

The failing of the Dixon is the smallish rear tires. Larger tires IMO would give better traction, I tend to spin the tires on turns. But I've been using Dixons since ohhh the 1980's ??

One final thought, Pay attention to the brand - quality of the ENGINE on your mower. I had a lot of the Dixon's with Briggs 12 HP vertical shaft engines, and they just don't last. My Neighbor has a nearly new Yellow (Cub Cadet from Home Depot) ZTR with a Kohler(?) - Chinese twin cylinder on it, and he can NOT keep the POS running, I have even looked at it and I cannot figure it out. The engine has the OSHA - EPA after fire solenoid crap in the carb, and it just creates no end of problems.

The Kawaski FB460 on my current machine is rock solid, and yes, its an old FLAT HEAD, 14 HP but its solid. The best desk, hydro's and tires do nothing for you if the bleeping engine won't run. or drinks oil, etc.

Wow I haven’t seen one of those in a long time. Neighbors back home were dealers for Dixon sometime back in the 80s and 90s.
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Re: Zero turn mowers

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I have an older Grasshopper 720K with a 61" deck. I bought it with a broken rod in the Kohler CH20 engine. I only paid $500 for it. I always have to figure out why things died as I work on them. This engine was fully covered with grass and dirt, a good inch in most places. So, there was part of the story. But it was the $7 crankcase hose that was hard and cracked, which kept leaking small amounts of oil that fed the grass and dirt build-up. That reminded me of the $5 oil filter seal on Onan engines and how many rods have broken due to the lack of cooling on the filter side of the engine.

I was able to save the engine. I was lucky on that one. I do not know what the cylinder is made of, but it was amazingly hard and even slippery. The engine did have issues that made me give up on it. Someone else had taken it apart and had torqued the majority of the bolts to just below the point of pulling the thread, and a few were pulled already. I used the proper torque guidelines, but the bolts kept pulling the threads later. I eventually got tired of doing the thread repairs. It kept leaking oil when the bolts were loose.

I ended up buying a Kawasaki 25hp repower. That engine is pure silk and fires like it knew what I was going to do when I sat in the seat. The rest of the mower is so much like Ingersoll. Everything is designed to be like building your own mower, aiming for an easy and durable result. The only weak part is the factory when they are brand new, by what I see on the Gassopper groups. But most of those guys wouldn't know how to use a screwdriver with interchangeable bits.

That is a front mount, and it will only be used for mowing if I have a big yard. The only thing I miss is how long I get to listen to music, which is so much shorter.

The best front mount, in my opinion, is the 725D with the 61" deck. There has never been any dispute to this on the Grasshopper sites or dealers. They sell so many of them that the factory cannot keep up with the demand. They track dealer inventory, and during the mowing season, you are not allowed to have more than one 725D in stock.

The only issue with buying them is that the radiators are tough to keep clear. The temp gauge indicates they are running hot, causing the tractor to shut off the PTO power. That allows you to keep driving. Then you get the guys who swear the radiator is clear, and it is still running hot. Radiators do not lie, just like carbs do not lie. If everything is clean, it will run perfectly. Grasshopper has a cleaning wand that guys say works very well. You also have guys saying that they were wrong once they removed the radiator, too.
Do not let anyone convince you it is a Gasshopper problem.

My 720K has a standard seat that has a wood base seat and a stapled-on cover. I just bought high-density foam and new black vinyl. Then I run the tires at 6 psi like the manual says to run. I use a tire gauge that is for low-pressure tires, which is a 0-20 psi range. The ride does not bother me at all. Plus, that gives you the best traction as well. I haven't slipped out of the seat yet. :69:
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