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Single stage snowcaster vs two stage blower
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:36 am
by propane1
Timj said: As for distance I don't know, some of the OEM chutes are getting some incredible distance.
Thrower and blower design has something to do with that for sure, but I wonder if it’s the type of snow that is thrown. Wet, damp, dry, blown drifts or fall straight down, grainy snow, powder snow, ice pellets mixed in, freezing rain on top, many different types of snow we deal with, would all make a difference.
Berco snow blowers seem to throw very well, but built the same as other snow blowers. I could never figure out why they are that much better. Any body know ?
Noel
Re: Snow removal thread
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:14 am
by DavidBarkey
Propane57 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:36 am
Timj said: As for distance I don't know, some of the OEM chutes are getting some incredible distance.
Thrower and blower design has something to do with that for sure, but I wonder if it’s the type of snow that is thrown. Wet, damp, dry, blown drifts or fall straight down, grainy snow, powder snow, ice pellets mixed in, freezing rain on top, many different types of snow we deal with, would all make a difference.
Berco snow blowers seem to throw very well, but built the same as other snow blowers. I could never figure out why they are that much better. Any body know ?
Noel
Two stage , most of the power is directed to fan speed . Auger only feeds . But more expensive to manufacture heavier, larger, and more parts to ware out. So there is pluses and minuses to both.
Dave
Re: Snow removal thread
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:21 am
by propane1
Did Case ever build a two stage snow blower ?
Noel
Re: Snow removal thread
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:34 am
by Eugen
Seems to me though, that the with same size two stage blower you won't be able to throw snow and travel as fast as with the one stage.
Re: Snow removal thread
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:47 am
by DavidBarkey
Eugen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:34 am
Seems to me though, that the with same size two stage blower you won't be able to throw snow and travel as fast as with the one stage.
On one hand the high speed and power dedicated to the impeller fan of the 2 stage should through farther .
On the other hand there is less moving parts and gear boxes that rob power in a single stage .
Now factor in the fact that All snow thrower/ blowers are two stage these days the engineers that design them must have a reason .
The only way to know for sure would be a head to head test off the same tractor in the same snow .
Dave
Re: Snow removal thread
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:10 am
by Timj
Propane57 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:36 am
Timj said: As for distance I don't know, some of the OEM chutes are getting some incredible distance.
Thrower and blower design has something to do with that for sure, but I wonder if it’s the type of snow that is thrown. Wet, damp, dry, blown drifts or fall straight down, grainy snow, powder snow, ice pellets mixed in, freezing rain on top, many different types of snow we deal with, would all make a difference.
Berco snow blowers seem to throw very well, but built the same as other snow blowers. I could never figure out why they are that much better. Any body know ?
Noel
The type of snow definitely is a big factor. Think about the weight of different snows. My first round this winter we had 3-4" then rain then 3" more on top. With my weak hydraulic motor, my caster didn't like it. The first pass through was ok, but re-blowing it was a challenge.
The Berco design seems to be very efficient. They use to offer a mule for Case/Ingersoll.
I have never seen a Case/Ingersoll branded 2-stage. I'm really surprised with their proximity to
Ariens, that they didn't partner with them for an optional 2stage.
Re: Snow removal thread
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:45 am
by propane1
My LGT165 Ford came with a blower when I bought the set up 17 years ago. Blower worked good, rolled up flyers at the end of the driveway, no problem, right thru, hehe. Any way, a lot of breakdowns on the blower. Drive system is just crazy. If any of ever saw one you’d know what I mean. Two 90 degree gear boxes. Power change direction 4 times from the engine to impeller. Blower is heavy. Hard on the steering system. Broke front left spindle, steering box twice and drag link. All from twisting and metal fatigue. Started looking for a thrower about 4 years ago. Found one, luckily, fixed it up and used it. Thrower, less weight less moving parts, less changes in power direction and closer to the tractor, which helps the steering system.
I will say the thrower works just as good throwing snow as the blower did.
Noel
Re: Snow removal thread
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:41 am
by Timj
Propane57 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:45 am
My LGT165 Ford came with a blower when I bought the set up 17 years ago. Blower worked good, rolled up flyers at the end of the driveway, no problem, right thru, hehe. Any way, a lot of breakdowns on the blower. Drive system is just crazy. If any of ever saw one you’d know what I mean. Two 90 degree gear boxes. Power change direction 4 times from the engine to impeller. Blower is heavy. Hard on the steering system. Broke front left spindle, steering box twice and drag link. All from twisting and metal fatigue. Started looking for a thrower about 4 years ago. Found one, luckily, fixed it up and used it. Thrower, less weight less moving parts, less changes in power direction and closer to the tractor, which helps the steering system.
I will say the thrower works just as good throwing snow as the blower did.
Noel
I know what you're saying, I look at alot of the newer MTD design 2stage blowers, they've simplified the blower, but the rest of the drive system to work of a vertical shaft motor
Re: Single stage snowcaster vs two stage blower
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:43 am
by Eugen
Hope you don't mind guys, I've opened a new topic single vs two stage and will move these messages there.
Re: Single stage snowcaster vs two stage blower
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:11 am
by propane1
Jumpins, I’ll never find it. Hehe.
Noel