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Oil tank heater
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:53 pm
by DavidBarkey
Have any of you that live in the White belt in winter tried surface mount oil heater . Here is what I am trying right now .
Now the only thing is to find a little booty to put over the hydra filter.
Dave
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:24 pm
by thebuildist
So let me get this straight... You looking for a little booty?
Well, if you say so...
Bob
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:34 pm
by DavidBarkey
thebuildist wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:24 pm
So let me get this straight... You looking for a little booty?
Well, if you say so...
Bob

Not me , I'm broken , the wife is worn out from work and we have a 13 year old grandson with special needs . I should have said sock or toque to keep the oil in the filter from cooling off to fast untill the system makes enough of its own heat . With dual coolers and extra plumbing , keeping it's cool in the winter is no problem . Getting Frankie up to working temp in the winter is somettimes .
Dave
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:08 pm
by DavidBarkey
Did a test on the tank heater today . -12 C this morning when plugged it in . Now I got a small 100 watt peel and stick . After an hour -6 C . After 2 hours 0 C. After 3 hours + 6 C . . Now this is on Frankie with a extra large metal tank holding 3.5 gallons of oil . The pump is just below the heater , so will get a little warmth too . It did help getting the "blood going" faster and quicker starting . I think this would work well on the small tanks and maybe the next size up for Frankie if this one fails .
Dave
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:35 pm
by Eugen
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:09 pm
by Timj
Dave, so I take it Frankie is in a totally unheated shed?
I've always rolled around thoughts on making it easier to get started in the cold. My 4118 has always been somewhat of a hard starter in the cold. I think it's going to be better with lighter oil and heavier battery. It's not really a problem for me to let run for a while to warm up, as long as it starts. I could put it in my garage that rarely gets below 25°f. Also, at home we don't get much snow at cold temps, they usually follow it. Wood duty is the only thing I have to do sometimes in below 0° temps. But when I was thinking about taking Ingy up to the cabin I was thinking about ways to warm it. We left that blue and yeller thing up there for snow duty, it has a block heater on it, so plug in and it'll start.
I take it your looking to just warm it up for a while before use, not continuous.
I like the idea of not doing an extreme cold start.
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:32 pm
by DavidBarkey
Timj wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:09 pm
Dave, so I take it Frankie is in a totally unheated shed?
I've always rolled around thoughts on making it easier to get started in the cold. My 4118 has always been somewhat of a hard starter in the cold. I think it's going to be better with lighter oil and heavier battery. It's not really a problem for me to let run for a while to warm up, as long as it starts. I could put it in my garage that rarely gets below 25°f. Also, at home we don't get much snow at cold temps, they usually follow it. Wood duty is the only thing I have to do sometimes in below 0° temps. But when I was thinking about taking Ingy up to the cabin I was thinking about ways to warm it. We left that blue and yeller thing up there for snow duty, it has a block heater on it, so plug in and it'll start.
I take it your looking to just warm it up for a while before use, not continuous.
I like the idea of not doing an extreme cold start.
Ya , he is under a pergola . I have a heated shop but if he is in there I have no where to work . He has P220 under the hood but also has a 12gpm pump and drive a hydra rear blower . I am just looking to take the "chill " off and the stress of trying to move all that oil when it is like molasses . I do run semi-synthetic 15-40 year round which helps . This is him ready for winter .
Dave
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:14 pm
by Harry
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:32 pm
Timj wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:09 pm
Dave, so I take it Frankie is in a totally unheated shed?
I've always rolled around thoughts on making it easier to get started in the cold. My 4118 has always been somewhat of a hard starter in the cold. I think it's going to be better with lighter oil and heavier battery. It's not really a problem for me to let run for a while to warm up, as long as it starts. I could put it in my garage that rarely gets below 25°f. Also, at home we don't get much snow at cold temps, they usually follow it. Wood duty is the only thing I have to do sometimes in below 0° temps. But when I was thinking about taking Ingy up to the cabin I was thinking about ways to warm it. We left that blue and yeller thing up there for snow duty, it has a block heater on it, so plug in and it'll start.
I take it your looking to just warm it up for a while before use, not continuous.
I like the idea of not doing an extreme cold start.
Ya , he is under a pergola . I have a heated shop but if he is in there I have no where to work . He has P220 under the hood but also has a 12gpm pump and drive a hydra rear blower . I am just looking to take the "chill " off and the stress of trying to move all that oil when it is like molasses . I do run semi-synthetic 15-40 year round which helps . This is him ready for winter .
101_2887.JPG
Dave
Frankie is a mean looking beast ready to conquer anything old man winter can throw at him. So, the front snow caster housing is used as a plow? I see hydraulic lines running to the front but no chute!
Keep the Peace
Harry
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:30 pm
by DavidBarkey
Harry wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:14 pm
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:32 pm
Timj wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:09 pm
Dave, so I take it Frankie is in a totally unheated shed?
I've always rolled around thoughts on making it easier to get started in the cold. My 4118 has always been somewhat of a hard starter in the cold. I think it's going to be better with lighter oil and heavier battery. It's not really a problem for me to let run for a while to warm up, as long as it starts. I could put it in my garage that rarely gets below 25°f. Also, at home we don't get much snow at cold temps, they usually follow it. Wood duty is the only thing I have to do sometimes in below 0° temps. But when I was thinking about taking Ingy up to the cabin I was thinking about ways to warm it. We left that blue and yeller thing up there for snow duty, it has a block heater on it, so plug in and it'll start.
I take it your looking to just warm it up for a while before use, not continuous.
I like the idea of not doing an extreme cold start.
Ya , he is under a pergola . I have a heated shop but if he is in there I have no where to work . He has P220 under the hood but also has a 12gpm pump and drive a hydra rear blower . I am just looking to take the "chill " off and the stress of trying to move all that oil when it is like molasses . I do run semi-synthetic 15-40 year round which helps . This is him ready for winter .
101_2887.JPG
Dave
Frankie is a mean looking beast ready to conquer anything old man winter can throw at him. So, the front snow caster housing is used as a plow? I see hydraulic lines running to the front but no chute!
Keep the Peace
Harry
The hydraulic lines you see are for the loader bucket cylinders . The old Case Caster casing was twisted and the auger had a bend in the tube .I think the PO tried to pull it out of somewhere bad by the auger . It never worked right and was beyond repairing properly so the casing was repurposed into a bucket for the loader and auger made its way into other projects in pieces . I now have caster worth fixing thanks to a trade with Eugen . The new to me caster will go on the 446 I am rebuilding and will be a front mount and the primary winter machine . Frankie will get most of the winter off by then . I plan on putting the oil tank heater on the 446 as well . Should work a little quicker being less than a gallon . Kicking the idea of engine oil heater as well though a pipe plug in the oil pan at the base of the dip stick tube . If I can find one small enough . A timer for those days they are calling for snowmagettin is an easy thing . Ideas are easy remembering what I was doing half way through not so much .

Oh well it is getting better .
Dave
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:30 pm
by Eugen
In the last few days I've had full days and nights busy with the family so I haven't been reading posts very carefully. I see you're talking about the oil in the hydraulic system Dave, not the engine. oil. In my opinion it's not really the time of warming the oil up that's the problem, long as it may be. It's when you start heating up the oil. Easy enough to put the heater on a timer so it starts at 5AM or whatever, and sure enough the tractor will be ready for a hug at 7AM. I have a 10AMP wi-fi switch that I've been playing with for about 2 years, which also has the ability to add to it a temperature sensor, which I also got. Basically it then becomes a thermostat which you can also control from an app on your phone. With this device you can plug in the heater when you park Frankie, and it'll turn on either at a time that you program it for, or it can maintain a temperature if you get the sensor as well. The device I use is called Sonoff TH10 and I bought it on ebay from China. I can't guarantee though that the Chinese government won't turn on (or off) your switch when you least expect it.

Hasn't happened to me yet.

It really makes me want to start a business and make such devices with servers located on our soil!

Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:22 am
by TLD89
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:32 pm
Timj wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:09 pm
Dave, so I take it Frankie is in a totally unheated shed?
I've always rolled around thoughts on making it easier to get started in the cold. My 4118 has always been somewhat of a hard starter in the cold. I think it's going to be better with lighter oil and heavier battery. It's not really a problem for me to let run for a while to warm up, as long as it starts. I could put it in my garage that rarely gets below 25°f. Also, at home we don't get much snow at cold temps, they usually follow it. Wood duty is the only thing I have to do sometimes in below 0° temps. But when I was thinking about taking Ingy up to the cabin I was thinking about ways to warm it. We left that blue and yeller thing up there for snow duty, it has a block heater on it, so plug in and it'll start.
I take it your looking to just warm it up for a while before use, not continuous.
I like the idea of not doing an extreme cold start.
Ya , he is under a pergola . I have a heated shop but if he is in there I have no where to work . He has P220 under the hood but also has a 12gpm pump and drive a hydra rear blower . I am just looking to take the "chill " off and the stress of trying to move all that oil when it is like molasses . I do run semi-synthetic 15-40 year round which helps . This is him ready for winter .
101_2887.JPG
Dave, What a cool beast you have done a great job on the hydraulics system. I like the cab with the front and back wipers also.
TLD89
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:41 am
by propane1
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:32 pm
Timj wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:09 pm
Dave, so I take it Frankie is in a totally unheated shed?
I've always rolled around thoughts on making it easier to get started in the cold. My 4118 has always been somewhat of a hard starter in the cold. I think it's going to be better with lighter oil and heavier battery. It's not really a problem for me to let run for a while to warm up, as long as it starts. I could put it in my garage that rarely gets below 25°f. Also, at home we don't get much snow at cold temps, they usually follow it. Wood duty is the only thing I have to do sometimes in below 0° temps. But when I was thinking about taking Ingy up to the cabin I was thinking about ways to warm it. We left that blue and yeller thing up there for snow duty, it has a block heater on it, so plug in and it'll start.
I take it your looking to just warm it up for a while before use, not continuous.
I like the idea of not doing an extreme cold start.
Ya , he is under a pergola . I have a heated shop but if he is in there I have no where to work . He has P220 under the hood but also has a 12gpm pump and drive a hydra rear blower . I am just looking to take the "chill " off and the stress of trying to move all that oil when it is like molasses . I do run semi-synthetic 15-40 year round which helps . This is him ready for winter .
101_2887.JPG
Dave
That’s quite a set up Dave. Any videos of it operating. And a question, can videos be put on this site. Be slick to have a cone clutch between engine and pump to disengage to help with starting. John Deere 140H3 has that set up.
Noel
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:58 am
by DavidBarkey
No videos
@Propane57 Noel . Just pic.s I would have to have the

or grandson Jacob film it . I thought about a clutch set up , but still would need to warm up the oil somehow and the engine heat would take too long . I have only tried the heater once so far . We will see what it does in real cold in the couple of months.
Dave
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:07 am
by Eugen
@Propane57 the forum software is not capable of adding video files. We would run pretty fast out of space anyway. Currently the forum is running in a total space of about 100GB. To move up to larger space would increase the monthly cost by quite a bit. You probably noticed no ads on this forum. So no money is coming from anywhere other than my pocket (and a one time donation from one of our members which covered a part of a one month cost). I'm saying this not to ask for money, just to describe that even if we were able to store videos on the site it would become quickly a problem with the space.
But we have another way to post videos here. I store my video clips on vimeo.com and to upload a video from my phone to vimeo.com I use the vimeo app. After I record the video I choose to share it, than I choose the vimeo app and all I need is to give it a name and optionally a description. After it shows up in my vimeo.com account I post the link here like this
https://vimeo.com/661065027
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:31 am
by propane1
Eugen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:07 am
@Propane57 the forum software is not capable of adding video files. We would run pretty fast out of space anyway. Currently the forum is running in a total space of about 100GB. To move up to larger space would increase the monthly cost by quite a bit. You probably noticed no ads on this forum. So no money is coming from anywhere other than my pocket (and a one time donation from one of our members which covered a part of a one month cost). I'm saying this not to ask for money, just to describe that even if we were able to store videos on the site it would become quickly a problem with the space.
But we have another way to post videos here. I store my video clips on vimeo.com and to upload a video from my phone to vimeo.com I use the vimeo app. After I record the video I choose to share it, than I choose the vimeo app and all I need is to give it a name and optionally a description. After it shows up in my vimeo.com account I post the link here like this
https://vimeo.com/661065027
Thanks Eugen. I didn’t know all that. And because I am not computer wise I really have no idea how these sites work. And as for the second paragraph thanks for that too, but wayyy over my head. Hehe. I’ll just stick to reading posts.
Noel
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:13 pm
by MattA
Eugen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:07 am
@Propane57 the forum software is not capable of adding video files. We would run pretty fast out of space anyway. Currently the forum is running in a total space of about 100GB. To move up to larger space would increase the monthly cost by quite a bit. You probably noticed no ads on this forum. So no money is coming from anywhere other than my pocket (and a one time donation from one of our members which covered a part of a one month cost). I'm saying this not to ask for money, just to describe that even if we were able to store videos on the site it would become quickly a problem with the space.
Perhaps we all just throw in a few bucks?
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:23 pm
by Eugen
The thought is appreciated
@MattA , but unless you guys really want us to store videos on our site there is no need, I'm happy to cover the costs as it is right now.
As you can see I would like this forum to be representative of our wishes. So, everyone, when you want something changed just say it and we'll see as a group what can be done.
Re: Oil tank heater
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:41 am
by DavidBarkey
I looked the other day, but could not find anywhere that allowed one to contribute if they were able .
Dave