Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Quick question for the group. Do mule drives from the 200 series fit the 400 series? I want to build a front weight bracket for my 446 and wonder if I come across a 200 series if I should get it.

I don't believe there's a difference. Even if there was, the physical attachment is the same, and you just want a weight bracket, so you should be good.

Toolslinger wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:14 am I don't believe there's a difference. Even if there was, the physical attachment is the same, and you just want a weight bracket, so you should be good.

That's great, thank you!

So, anyone around Toronto and area if you have a mule drive for sale please let me know!

Here is what I did. It was built to hold 3 of the JD 40# suitcase weights. This was a mower mule, note the blue pipe. It was needed because the arms are flimsy and would flex and fall off the lower pins. Flat or angle iron could have worked but you can see the slots are really worn so I chose pipe. I cut a tee in each end of the pipe and opened it up, then put some flat stock in the pipe .015" larger than the pins and beat the pipe ends down. The top holes are worn also, so I welded a couple washers on them. Both the pipe and washers took care of the worn holes and widened the contact area on the pins to take out some of the play due to worn pins. I have had it on a 224, 448, and 3012.

Gordy

That's great Gordy! I want to make something like this myself. When I get my hands on a mule drive I'll post my adventure.

greenbug wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:01 pm That's great Gordy! I want to make something like this myself. When I get my hands on a mule drive I'll post my adventure.

When you get a mule, put it on the tractor and set you weights on blocks in front of it, then open the hood and adjust the blocks so the hood will open without hitting the weights. Then mark the mule for where you want to weld the brackets. I have seen some weight mounts built to hold 4 of these weights, and not interfere with the front tires when turning. I should mention that Case weights and mounts do show up on eBay from time to time, but OMG expensive :shock: Here are a couple more pics.

Gordy

Gordy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:33 am

greenbug wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:01 pm That's great Gordy! I want to make something like this myself. When I get my hands on a mule drive I'll post my adventure.

When you get a mule, put it on the tractor and set you weights on blocks in front of it, then open the hood and adjust the blocks so the hood will open without hitting the weights. Then mark the mule for where you want to weld the brackets. I have seen some weight mounts built to hold 4 of these weights, and not interfere with the front tires when turning. I should mention that Case weights and mounts do show up on eBay from time to time, but OMG expensive :shock: Here are a couple more pics.

Gordy

Those look like nice weights! Good idea regarding the clearance to front tires and clearance from the ground, I will do that!

Real Case weights seem really rare around here and getting them from ebay would kill me on shipping. Luckily I have some weights already, which I got from a local farmer.

Looky looky, it's 20 Kg/44 lbs each. Probably from a Russian tractor :shock:

those look neat, I am turning green with envy :mrgreen: -Kyle

THEOTHERHALF wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:26 pm those look neat, I am turning green with envy :mrgreen: -Kyle

If you are referring to the JD weights, Thanks. Notice in the one picture the Deer appears to be running away from the Case 8-) I do catch some grief for having them on the case, by other Case owners. But, I tell them I like JD they are great at making DEAD weight

Cheers,
Gordy

So true Gordy!

I love my jd rear wheel weights!

Eugen wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:06 pm So true Gordy!

I love my jd rear wheel weights!

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I have half of that set, the bolt together halves (inners). Got them on an online auction, with tax and buyers premium for a total of $20.08 :P Here's a link that shows the homemade weights I bought that happen to fit inside the rim behind the JD weights.

https://www.casecoltingersoll.com/threa ... ost-739317

Gordy

You got the for free basically! Nice that you had that thick steel, that's also hard to come by here at a good price. So you got 164 lbs per side, neat!

Many of the JD combines used these weights. The two piece weights you have are JD part H78062 at 108 lbs per side I think, while the one piece weight is 162 lbs per side.

The neat thing about the combine is that the two part weights fit on the inside of the rim, while the one piece fits on the outside, that's 270 lbs per side. Unfortunately it would not clear the frame and hydraulic motor on one of our tractors

When I bought my 4118, it had a set of the bolt together JD weights for each side. Some previous owner painted them black. Looks real nice inside an Ingersoll wheel!

I have been using a rototiller on the back of first a Demo 444 (It came with the tiller and a deck) which was a center drive tiller. Used it on my 448 until about 4 years ago when a friend located a side drive for me. I then have used it on my 448 every since. I twisted the Sleeve hitch (old style) because of the extra side weight. After being off of the 448 for about 3 years, and having twisted the sleeve hitch, I finally put the 3 point on the 448 and it has carried the side drive tiller very well since then.

I have had a tiller on one of my tractors since about 1980, and until I got on the old site, or maybe the Yahoo site, I didn't realize that front weight must be on a tiller tractor. I grew up on a farm and when my dad bought an 830 Case diesel with a semi mounted plow, we didn't put any additional weight on the front of the tractor. It worked great, but being the little sh..s that my younger brother and I were we discovered we could lift the 3 point hitch just a bit and the front tires would come off the ground as you continued to plow in a forward direction. One of our farms was located on a state highway, and as we approached we oftentimes would lift the front of the tractor off the ground if there was traffic there (showing off).

SO I discovered I was doing it wrong all these years! It never bothered me that the front end of the 448 I was using at that time was a bit light, deal with it! When I redid the one 448 to get it ready to use I did breakdown and put beet juice in the front tires. And that has worked much better on the side drive tiller. I even forget I have weighted the tires!

I have been tempted to add front end weight a few times but the beet juice has been real good at accomplishing the need. With the 60" deck I sometimes slide the front wheels yet when going uphill and turning. It wants to push rather than turning, but the wheels stay on the ground.

I like what you guys are doing. The factory weights are not plentiful, and the brackets are harder to find than what the available weight from other manufactures has become.

Bill Moyer