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California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:48 pm
by Eugen
Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:09 pm
by thebuildist
Nothing is too outrageous to come from Californication.
Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:42 pm
by DavidBarkey
I understand and respect the need to reduce emissions . BUT , are all the power plants zero emissions ? What about the factories producing all the metals needed to support the electrical grid needed to go all electric?? What about all the batteries . What about all the various types of plastics required to insulate the electrical components ?? The problem is about greed verses the single minded tards. Most vehicles on the road build after 2015 in top running order produce lower emissions out the tail pipe than what goes in the breather . More focus need to be placed on efficiency , cats,and getting rid of ethanol in the fuel . Ethanol actually increases emissions by decreasing efficiency. It take way more ethanol to produce the same amount of power as does gasoline , And the amount of fuel it takes to produce ethanol starting at the field and then to distillation is greater than the amount of ethanol produced .
That is my rant for the day .
Dave
Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:25 pm
by thebuildist
The ethanol mandate is the perfect illustration of the progressives/leftie's motto: "My purpose in life is making myself feel superior by finding or inventing a problem and doing SOMETHING about it. It doesn't matter if the problem is real or imaginary. It doesn't matter if my solution actually helps or actually makes matters worse. What matters is my feeling that I CARE more than others, so I feel SUPERIOR to them."
The ethanol mandate was enacted to address a pretend problem ("Global Warming") and while it did nothing to alleviate our sense that the planet is warming, it has empirically increased carbon emissions (which doesn't actually matter) and led to observable environmental damage (which very much does matter).
But the market has been distorted for such a long time now by this scheme of governmental reward and punishment that a great many people have been forced to plan occupations and financial futures around it. So even though it was a terrible idea that was poorly executed, if it were removed now it would lead to a great deal of pain and suffering for those people.
A classic progressive mess. Hurt people when you implement a new policy, hurt people the whole time the policy is in effect, and hurt people if the policy is ever reversed. And feel genuine pride in your "accomplishment", because "at least you cared enough to try."
Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:45 pm
by Harry
I'm all for cleaner air and everyone doing their part for to reduce global warming. Global is the keyword here everyone and as long as other countries around the World don't follow suit, we all my as well just pee into the wind!
Keep the Peace
Harry
Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:00 pm
by MattA
I'd rather see more fuel injected tractor/zero turn engines offered than a complete ban of small engines. They are supposed to start easier and consume 25% less fuel. I assume the emissions are better too.
Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:35 pm
by Eugen
Look at
@DavidBarkey he's looking at putting a catalytic converter on his tractor. I'd like that too.

Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:46 am
by DavidBarkey
You will all notice that it is not called Global warming anymore . Climate Change is real. The world is warming and this is causing the climate due to various factors like a major shift in the jet stream . Most people don't understand how a couple of degrees change in ocean temps can have an effect . Well it does . Floods, droughts, blizzards , extreme heat , ect. aren't just heard of more because its sells ratings ,it's happening more often . Where we are it use to classed zone 4b for agg. now we are 5b . We are benefiting from , where others are suffering . As some places warm up others cool off as a result . That is why it is now called Climate Change but is due to Global Warming . Ethanol was put in fuel to shut up the wagon hoppers and to give the farmers who are subsidized by both governments to have something to do with excess corn that they are paying for . At some point in the future we need to get completely away from fossil fuels but we first must have viable replacements in place and proven. This takes time and willingness of people to change . We still have people that use horse and cartage yet the 4 stroke engine has been prominent for 100 years now . The problem is we don't have a 100 more years to make the switch . Most of the world pollution is not coming from North America or Europe (we don't make jack shit here anymore) but we all are buying all the goods made from the countries that are making most of the pollution. Put in place restrictions that limit goods coming in from abroad that do not meet emission standards ( alot of these factories are owned by or supported by western Corporations ) . Force mandatory 100 % warranties on tech and other high demand products . Outlaw designed obsolescence most new fridges don't last but couple of years yet there are 1970s fridges still running and have non stop since made . Why do we have so much garbage , because we have been brainwashed by corporations we have to have everything now ! Well to have it all now it has to be cheap and it will be cheap or financed for the rest of your life. The rich don't want you to buy quality they want you to keep buying there cheaply build designed to fail crap over and over .
Dave
Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:31 am
by Gordy
Dave,
Our tractors are a good example of built to last, with some maintenance

My working stand up freezer has a manufacture date of 1968 on the back of it. At an auction a few years ago there was a chest freezer, plugged in and running, the name was International Harvester IH, the manufacture date was 1948

Now these are not as power efficient as the new stuff but are still running. And you can add insulation to make them better. A Youtuber did a test with a Kilo-Watt meter on an old frig, before and after adding 1" of foil faced foam,and cut the power consumption by almost 1/2. Because the frig was in the kitchen he later covered the foam with white hardboard panels and trim to make it look decent.
Cars on the other hand. Many of us are old enough to remember $100 beaters with 100,000 miles on them and were considered junkyard ready. Now 250k to 300K is not uncommon.
Gordy
Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:49 am
by Eugen
It's definitely a sensitive topic and opinions can be divided.
Now, designed obsolescence is a real thing. Businesses are in the main business of making a profit. Most of them at least. There are sometimes guys like Elon Musk who's got other goals too, besides making money. But the guys is an exception, not the rule. He's crazy smart, crazy ambitious too.
When it comes to cars, there have always been some that last long, and may that were crap on wheels. On the whole, I have to admit that my impression is cars got more reliable. Look at Kia and Hyundai, which years ago had terrible engines. Much better now. The development that I most don't like about new cars is how complicated and compact they are made, in the engine area. At the same time, customers do want more fuel economy, more features, so there we go. I had an old BMW X5 once, it was terrible to work on. At some point I had to change some xfer case oil, and it required a very short metric 16 tubular key

. Just an example of how it clearly wasn't made with user maintenance in mind. My Honda Ridgeline truck on the other hand, has all bolts needing the most common 3/8 ratched drive to undo, and very easily accessible. I like that!

Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:37 pm
by Gordy
Speaking of easy access to work on, the best I had was a 78 F-150 with the 3 on the tree and 300 straight 6. Literally step on the bumper, over the radiator to the frame then step down to the ground

NO laying on the fender to change the plugs and wires or loosen the oil filter

And the wiring was about as complicated as a Farmall H

It was old when I got it showing 79k on the 5 digit odometer, I got another 185k out of it. After 10 years I finally parked it as the body was getting so bad I thought it might fall off the frame

Hard to believe that 300 / 6 was only 80 or 85 HP.
Some I have worked on just to get to the battery, you had to remove a cross member, air filter housing, and computer

Or take the motor mount bolts out and jack up the engine to replace spark plugs.
It is funny to see all these car manufacturers getting into electric and claim theirs is the best. When if you look up the data, they are all playing a POOR game of ketchup with Tesla. And the sales #'s show it. From what I have seen, Tesla's go from the factory direct to the customer no sitting on sales lots

The last report a month ago said if you ordered a Tesla you could expect delivery in late January to late February depending on the model.
Gordy
Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:11 pm
by thebuildist
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:46 am
You will all notice that it is not called Global warming anymore . Climate Change is real. The world is warming and this is causing the climate due to various factors like a major shift in the jet stream . Most people don't understand how a couple of degrees change in ocean temps can have an effect . Well it does . Floods, droughts, blizzards , extreme heat , ect. aren't just heard of more because its sells ratings ,it's happening more often . Where we are it use to classed zone 4b for agg. now we are 5b . We are benefiting from , where others are suffering . As some places warm up others cool off as a result . That is why it is now called Climate Change but is due to Global Warming . Ethanol was put in fuel to shut up the wagon hoppers and to give the farmers who are subsidized by both governments to have something to do with excess corn that they are paying for . At some point in the future we need to get completely away from fossil fuels but we first must have viable replacements in place and proven. This takes time and willingness of people to change . We still have people that use horse and cartage yet the 4 stroke engine has been prominent for 100 years now . The problem is we don't have a 100 more years to make the switch . Most of the world pollution is not coming from North America or Europe (we don't make jack shit here anymore) but we all are buying all the goods made from the countries that are making most of the pollution. Put in place restrictions that limit goods coming in from abroad that do not meet emission standards ( alot of these factories are owned by or supported by western Corporations ) . Force mandatory 100 % warranties on tech and other high demand products . Outlaw designed obsolescence most new fridges don't last but couple of years yet there are 1970s fridges still running and have non stop since made . Why do we have so much garbage , because we have been brainwashed by corporations we have to have everything now ! Well to have it all now it has to be cheap and it will be cheap or financed for the rest of your life. The rich don't want you to buy quality they want you to keep buying there cheaply build designed to fail crap over and over .
Dave
We'll have to agree to disagree. 1936 was the hottest North American year on record, by an huge margin. The 5 hottest years of the 20th century were all before 1950, when atmospheric carbon levels were way lower than today. Then everything started to cool down from the late 50's and 60's culinating in 1979, the second coldest year of the 20th century. "Experts" at periodicals like the New York Times and Time Magazine and National Geographic spent the first half of the century fretting about the hot weather and melting ice sheets. Then, predictably, the next generation of media "experts" spent 30 years fretting over the coming ice age. Now the "experts" are back to heating.
James Hansen warned us that "if nothing is done about carbon", then the Long Island Expressway would be under seawater by 2012. Nothing was done about carbon, but the expressway seems fine. Recently, various "experts" have assured us that "if nothing is done about carbon" that the North Polar sea would be free of summer ice cover by... 2012. Or 2016. Or 2018. Or 2021. Nothing has been done about carbon. China continues year after year to emit more than double the carbon of the USA, Canada, and Europe combined. Nothing will be done to rein in China, but you and I may well lose our reliable and cheap and decentralized gasoline transportation. Britain has already outlawed gasoline cars after 2030, and just this week they announced that at-home car chargers will only work during certain hours. I guess in Britain, you'll drive if and when they tell you to. Surely no politician would ever abuse that power, right?
Glacier National Park was supposed to have all melted by 1948. That prediction failed, so they moved it to 1961. That prediction failed, so they moved it to 2002. That prediction failed, so they moved it to 2020. That prediction failed, so they moved it to 2044. There's always doom, somewhere in the near future unless we relinquish our freedoms and obey the "experts".
While all this is going on, the north polar ice extent carries on, year after year, within predictable variances. Some years are big, some are small. Last year was small, this year is medium. 3 or 4 years back was an unusually large year for north polar sea ice. Same with the Greenland ice sheet, same with Glacier National Park. And no one bothers to address the elephant in the room: We all know that the planet is emerging from an Ice Age. Something we cannot control, cannot accurately predict, and frankly cannot explain. Why do Ice Ages even happen? Why was the warmest period in recorded history the Medieval Warm Period, some 800 years ago? There was very little manmade carbon, that's for certain. What's going to happen next? No One Knows.
But the never-ending drumbeat of impending panic and doom sells papers and funds scientific grants. Most importantly, though it gives good reason for us uneducated rubes to bow down and obey our betters in government.
As for me, after a century of documented false hype and failed predictions, I no longer believe the global hoax that cried wolf. I would need to see the "experts" make a single accurate prediction before I'd even consider changing my mind.
Re: California ban on gas lawn mowers etc.
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:25 pm
by MattA