Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

So a few weeks ago my Case 224 started chewing belts. The princess auto belt that was on for two and worked fine got chewed up and came off. Mower stop. Ok. We’ll need new belt. Back to princess auto and got belt. Put it on. It only lasted a week or so. All chewed up and flipped. So looked harder cant see any thing wrong. So figured maybe not tight enough. Adjusted so had 1/8 “ in between coils on spring. Then thought the if the deck was up all the way that, that maybe the trouble. Neither of those were the trouble. So got thinking maybe spindles or mule drive pulley was seizing up. Checking now and I don’t see any trouble there either. And I know, now an OEM belt. But had worked for two years. Then all of a sudden not work. And not OEM pto. But that been there all the time I’ve had the tractor.

Any ideas fellas. Thanks


Noel

Seems I always get the strange troubles.

That’s a good question Noel. All I could possibly think of would be pulley bearings or mule wear where it attaches to GT. Harry

also check the frame mount pins that the mule rides on. They may be loose or worn.

How do the pulleys look? Is the deck pulley rusted/pitted? I've had trouble with pulleys on my RM series deck in the past. Pulleys were rusted and pitted causing the belt to slip and eventually the pulley would sink to the bottom of the V groove where it can no longer transfer power. Sometimes the V grove also gets worn out.

MattA wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:22 pm How do the pulleys look? Is the deck pulley rusted/pitted? I've had trouble with pulleys on my RM series deck in the past. Pulleys were rusted and pitted causing the belt to slip and eventually the pulley would sink to the bottom of the V groove where it can no longer transfer power. Sometimes the V grove also gets worn out.

No rust or pits Matt. Pulleys could very well be worn. I didn’t have any slippage.
Was looking at the left mule drive pulley last nite and it seemed a bit tight to turn. But it was smooth and no noise from it. But if you held it in your hand and spun it, once you let go it would stop at about 3/4 to 1 turn. You would think it would keep spinning for about 2 or 3 turns before stopping. So I don’t know if that a problem or not. That’s the slack side of the belt. Spring loaded idler should keep it tight. But if the pulley is a bit tight in turning, would that be causing the trouble. ?


Noel

propane1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 4:21 am

MattA wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:22 pm How do the pulleys look? Is the deck pulley rusted/pitted? I've had trouble with pulleys on my RM series deck in the past. Pulleys were rusted and pitted causing the belt to slip and eventually the pulley would sink to the bottom of the V groove where it can no longer transfer power. Sometimes the V grove also gets worn out.

No rust or pits Matt. Pulleys could very well be worn. I didn’t have any slippage.
Was looking at the left mule drive pulley last nite and it seemed a bit tight to turn. But it was smooth and no noise from it. But if you held it in your hand and spun it, once you let go it would stop at about 3/4 to 1 turn. You would think it would keep spinning for about 2 or 3 turns before stopping. So I don’t know if that a problem or not. That’s the slack side of the belt. Spring loaded idler should keep it tight. But if the pulley is a bit tight in turning, would that be causing the trouble. ?


Noel

That pulley could be locking up when hot . I would start there .

Thanks Dave

Noel

After seeing that the tractor is a mess in my world. That means that I teardown tractor to fix it, and your tractor has the I can fix it with other parts issue, really bad. So, you are not going to enjoy the same service life as a stock tractor using stock parts. Stock part may not even work for you.

The photo of the not original pulley shows the ve groove is shiny all the way down the v in the pulley. The belt probably needs to be wider but for only that pulley that I know of because you did not show a picture of the rest. The belt flipping means you have the wrong belt routing or a similar issue.

It is going to be nothing but guesses to get a modified tractor going again. I would fix it using stock parts, used stock parts. Actually, I would not fix it. I could fix it. But, you would not like the bill for fixing it.

I can tell you that I have never replaced a stock belt on a stock setup tractor that has the belt cover on the deck that keeps the pulleys from rusting, or better yet kept inside.

Thanks for your reply ssmewing. Tractor sure is not original. I’ve only had the tractor for almost 3 years now. Who knows what other owners did to it. And it been running fine up until a few weeks ago when this proplem started.
I’ll keep plugging away at it and no, the tractor will never be all stock equipment ever again.


Noel

So, I’m just wondering, and I know this post won’t fix my trouble, but just wondering, who ever in the last 49 years took the manual clutch off and put the electric one on, where did they get this clutch ? By way the electric on is bolted on, see pictures, it looks like that could be where the manual pto was bolted on. ??? Just wondering.

Noel