Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

I know, I am always posting -- just trying to get my fleet in order for the future - perhaps I have ADD so what about electronic ignition? Anyone fitted that to an Onan engine (B43M or B48M)?. Want to explain what you did?

On my 446 with B series Onan I added an electric facet fuel pump, 2-3 psi. Also a transdenser to replace condenser with a new set of points. Every time I go to start it I turn the ignition to run wait a few seconds ans I can hear the fuel pump clicking. Then turn the key to start and it fires up immediately. I feel I don’t need an electronic ignition on the Onan. Harry

Harry, want to expand on the "transdenser to replace condenser" you were talking about? What make is it , I know you said you bought it on Craigslist but I think a lot of us would like to know more... etc

ras101 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:35 pm Harry, want to expand on the "transdenser to replace condenser" you were talking about? What make is it , I know you said you bought it on Craigslist but I think a lot of us would like to know more... etc

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I was looking into recently myself . Reviews are mixed . In theroriy it should be the answer , but apparently there can be grounding issue and a lack of amps going across the point to keep oxidation burnt off .
If you can get one of these The other option is to get a timing cover from a Performer and use this with the ring and coil pack for the performer engine .

I’ve never heard of the Magna Arc Ignition Kit David. I will be looking into those. Thanks for posting. Harry

Harry wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:03 am I’ve never heard of the Magna Arc Ignition Kit David. I will be looking into those. Thanks for posting. Harry

The Magna Arc was available years ago and quite expensive even at that time. Haven't seen one for a long time.

Bob

So why my original question? I have a very easy starting, like the first turn, on my 1985 Onan 48M and yet my 43M takes a lot more turns to fire up. I know the previous owner of the 48M spent a long time tuning the points condenser, etc, and well it shows in the starting. I, myself am more into electronic ignitions (yeah I dealt with points right through the 60's and 70's) on car and bikes, etc. I have seen over the years electronic system come and disappear for our GT's and I am just exploring options right now. The end result might be leave well alone, it could be Harry's solution, or it could be a full blown Electronic ignition system.

Ray

myerslawnandgarden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:18 pm

Harry wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:03 am I’ve never heard of the Magna Arc Ignition Kit David. I will be looking into those. Thanks for posting. Harry

The Magna Arc was available years ago and quite expensive even at that time. Haven't seen one for a long time.

Bob

I have been trying to get one to how it work and see if I could make my own .

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:31 pm

myerslawnandgarden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:18 pm

Harry wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:03 am I’ve never heard of the Magna Arc Ignition Kit David. I will be looking into those. Thanks for posting. Harry

The Magna Arc was available years ago and quite expensive even at that time. Haven't seen one for a long time.

Bob

I have been trying to get one to how it work and see if I could make my own .

A few have shown up on EBay recently but were around $350. Seems to me that they were 200-300 back in the day. I think I have a spec sheet from Onan in my files, I will look.

Bob

myerslawnandgarden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:59 pm

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:31 pm

myerslawnandgarden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:18 pm

The Magna Arc was available years ago and quite expensive even at that time. Haven't seen one for a long time.

Bob

I have been trying to get one to how it work and see if I could make my own .

A few have shown up on EBay recently but were around $350. Seems to me that they were 200-300 back in the day. I think I have a spec sheet from Onan in my files, I will look.

Bob

Thanks Bob

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DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:31 pm

myerslawnandgarden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:18 pm

Harry wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:03 am I’ve never heard of the Magna Arc Ignition Kit David. I will be looking into those. Thanks for posting. Harry

The Magna Arc was available years ago and quite expensive even at that time. Haven't seen one for a long time.

Bob

I have been trying to get one to how it work and see if I could make my own .

Dave, I'm really looking at this too.. Any help would be more than welcome by I think most of us on the forum. Any contacts, schematics, etc. As an electronic Engineer I am sure that we could adapt whatever so the members could use.

Seems like the industry has/is passing us by (probably because we are a small group).

Ray

I like the idea Ray. Electronics has been my hobby for years. We should be able to come up with an alternative.

Seems I have seen several JD electronic ignition available recently but nothing for the Case/ingersoll. I know from dealing in the 80's with car and motorbike engines with points that the change is monumental but we as an owner group have been left scrambling on our one way too long. Yeah we are a relatively small group, a few thousand, but we also need to move forward too. Am I wrong here trying to push this? or should we as a group be demanding solutions for s to move forward?

ras101 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:00 pm Seems I have seen several JD electronic ignition available recently but nothing for the Case/ingersoll. I know from dealing in the 80's with car and motorbike engines with points that the change is monumental but we as an owner group have been left scrambling on our one way too long. Yeah we are a relatively small group, a few thousand, but we also need to move forward too. Am I wrong here trying to push this? or should we as a group be demanding solutions for s to move forward?

Ray can you show us these JD unit you are talking about . Ignition systems are engine specific more than tractor , and a lot of JDs had Kohler and Onan engines in them in the same time period .

Illuminate me guys, is electronic ignition just a replacement for the points?

Eugen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:31 pm Illuminate me guys, is electronic ignition just a replacement for the points?

all of the above .

A couple of members asked about JD electronic ignitions on EBay so here's my Ebay search:

"onan B43M electronic ignition"

Like always when you search Ebay you get all sorts of odd things appear too so it will take a few moments to find .

Just one to get you started:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/126229105334?h ... R7D295WUYw

Ray

ras101 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:44 am A couple of members asked about JD electronic ignitions on EBay so here's my Ebay search:

"onan B43M electronic ignition"

Like always when you search Ebay you get all sorts of odd things appear too so it will take a few moments to find .

Just one to get you started:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/126229105334?h ... R7D295WUYw

Ray

That is the performer pickup modual . You need the crank ring and performer front cover to make it work . That being said , I have a P220 (Performer 20 hp welder genny engine )in Frankie and the ignition system has performered flawlessly except the coil failing a few years back for over 10 years now that I have had it and was all used when I got it .
I would say that is a good system and there are still some NOS parts out there to be had.