Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:05 pm**

So, this is still broke !!!!!! I kick it each time I go by. Any way. I might look at it soon. Might.

Noel

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:41 pm**

Oh man, that sucks! What happened?

Don't give up the fight!

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:45 pm**

Don't kick it, you'll just end up with a sore toe and it will still be broken.

Get some good pictures and we'll figure it out, I think everyone here except Bob and me has one of them blowers.

We have the technology, we can save it.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:04 pm**

Last weekend before that storm it broke. Idler arm with spring attached, decided to drop down into the ground and flipped its self under the tractor and instead of that arm pointed forward, it’s was pointing backward. Bent every thing to beep. Spring was still hooked to arm.

I was very carefull how I kicked it, so’s I would not hurt myself, Timj. Hehe.

Noel

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:12 pm**

I can probably, maybe , could figure out how to fix it. Kick. But what I want to know is ? Why or how would this happen ? ? ?
If and when this ever gets fixed. I will make sure that if something happens, that the arm can’t drop to the ground.
Engineers who designed that system should have their behinds kicked.

Noel

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 pm**

@Propane57 Noel I tried searching the issue and could not find one other that had said problem . I am going to take a guess and say due to the fact you were out with it before snow a branch/root/ dog lead or something like that gabbed the handle pulled it down and when it bit the ground that did the rest . Bouncing alone would not do it unless the spring was wrong and to light weight . Even if the belt came off the handle would go up not down . One thing to check and make sure the belt is not to short , as that May bring the handle close to the ground . Another is motor mounts , if there is to much movement when the engine torques the belt could be pulled up on and pulling up on the tensioner pulley forcing the arm down .
Points to ponder when you get the rest straitened out .

Dave

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:10 pm**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 pm @Propane57 Noel I tried searching the issue and could not find one other that had said problem . I am going to take a guess and say due to the fact you were out with it before snow a branch/root/ dog lead or something like that gabbed the handle pulled it down and when it bit the ground that did the rest . Bouncing alone would not do it unless the spring was wrong and to light weight . Even if the belt came off the handle would go up not down . One thing to check and make sure the belt is not to short , as that May bring the handle close to the ground . Another is motor mounts , if there is to much movement when the engine torques the belt could be pulled up on and pulling up on the tensioner pulley forcing the arm down .
Points to ponder when you get the rest straitened out .

Dave

Well if it's gunna happen, it's gunna happen to me, for sure. No roots or any thing there Dave, don't have a dog. Belt was new about two weeks ago. 81" x 1/2". Can't say that the spring is weak, because it did throw snow and the belt did not slip. and I'm reasonably sure I would notice that when I put it together. But if the belt came off and the spring fell out of place, it would fall down, right. I was just Idling along driving back to the garage. No torque on any thing. Thanks for all the ideas Dave. I'll keep trudging along and see what happens.

Noel

Posted: **Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:05 pm**

So guys, I straightened the arm and the pin on the tractor. Put the belt back on. No spring on yet. Cotter pin just set in pin to hold arm on. When I pull up on the arm, like the spring does, the forward end of the arm is about 3” off the ground. So is this correct ? 81” belt is installed. If I put a longer belt on, that would raise that arm at the front, but will it make the belt roll of the drive pulley because of entering the pulley below top centre ? If I put a shorter belt on, that will make the front of the bar closer to the ground. Don’t want that ! So do you think the engine pulley, stationary v pulley and idler pulleys are the correct size. Who knows what has been done and what parts have been changed in 40 years.
And I believe that when you lift the thrower, this tightens the belt, which causes the idler pulley to come up, which puts the front of the arm down, closer to the ground.
The more I think about this and explain things, the more I think what happened to the 446 is, with the arm only about 3” or so from the ground, and with the thrower lifted, which lowered the arm more, while was driving I came down a slight hill which then turn to flat ground, and I would say the bar caught the flat ground long before the rear wheels got to the flat ground to level the tractor.
So, how do I raise that bar so it’s higher up ? Why is the bar so long out the front, to begin with ? And could I just cut some of it off ?
Ideas and your thoughts please.
Sorry for the long winded post.

Noel

Posted: **Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:12 pm**

I will measure the distance on mine when I get out there and let you know. Still at work now.

Posted: **Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:00 pm**

@Propane57 Noel what is the diameter of the idler(V grove) and tensioner arm pulley( flat back ) ? Might be the pic but the tensioner pulley looks to big to me . That will effect belt length.
I will Measure mine ,

Dave

Posted: **Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:08 pm**

Looking at those pics. I'm thinking the same as the others. Maybe the idler is too large. I have a sb48 and the lever points up towards the chute. Not down like yours.

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Posted: **Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:23 pm**

Here Noel
The caster show is about 3" above ground and the bottom end of the lever is about 5" above ground. Hope this helps!

Posted: **Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:28 pm**

This one shows how high that tongue is, picture from back and ground level

You may have inherited a modified caster

Posted: **Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:35 pm**

@Propane57 Noel I measured the one off the caster I am working on and the V pulley 4" OC. / flat back 4.5" OC. Is your motor bolted to the frame or has it rubber mounts? If mounts how thick ? I beleave the belt for you set up is 1/2" x 81.625" . Now what is does not say if that is CL. or OC. I will assume it is OC. and if you have an after market belt that is an "81" , it may only measure 80.5" which would make it almost an inch to short . And if any of the other things I have mentioned come in to play ,that would make it even shorter forcing the arm to the ground .

Dave

Posted: **Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:11 pm**

Dave, the V stationary pulley is 4” outside diameter and flat idler pulley is 4.5 “ outside diameter. Motor looks to be bolted to the frame.
If any of have ever looked at how far the arm drops when you lift the thrower, it drops about 3”.

Noel

Posted: **Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:17 pm**

Great pictures Eugen. Thanks.

Noel

Posted: **Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:21 pm**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:11 pm Dave, the V stationary pulley is 4” outside diameter and flat idler pulley is 4.5 “ outside diameter. Motor looks to be bolted to the frame.
If any of have ever looked at how far the arm drops when you lift the thrower, it drops about 3”.

Noel

Can you take off your belt . Make a mark on the outside. measure the circumference and see what the belt actually measures .

Dave

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:44 am**

Dave, belt is 81.5” long.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:00 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:44 am Dave, belt is 81.5” long.

Noel

Sorry bud thats all I can think to check . Maybe you ran over Murphy and it is his way of getting you back .

Dave

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:03 am**

Oh well. I’ll get it Dave. May not be stock. But I’ll get it. Thanks for all your help.
Like I said before, if it’s gunna happen, it’s gunna happen to me. I always seem to get the odd ball stuff and or problems.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:58 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:05 pm So guys, I straightened the arm and the pin on the tractor. Put the belt back on. No spring on yet. Cotter pin just set in pin to hold arm on. When I pull up on the arm, like the spring does, the forward end of the arm is about 3” off the ground. So is this correct ? 81” belt is installed. If I put a longer belt on, that would raise that arm at the front, but will it make the belt roll of the drive pulley because of entering the pulley below top centre ? If I put a shorter belt on, that will make the front of the bar closer to the ground. Don’t want that ! So do you think the engine pulley, stationary v pulley and idler pulleys are the correct size. Who knows what has been done and what parts have been changed in 40 years.
And I believe that when you lift the thrower, this tightens the belt, which causes the idler pulley to come up, which puts the front of the arm down, closer to the ground.
The more I think about this and explain things, the more I think what happened to the 446 is, with the arm only about 3” or so from the ground, and with the thrower lifted, which lowered the arm more, while was driving I came down a slight hill which then turn to flat ground, and I would say the bar caught the flat ground long before the rear wheels got to the flat ground to level the tractor.
So, how do I raise that bar so it’s higher up ? Why is the bar so long out the front, to begin with ? And could I just cut some of it off ?
Ideas and your thoughts please.
Sorry for the long winded post.

Noel

Who did the custom work on it? The pictures are hard to see all of it. But, that extension for the spring is wrong which means the spring was wrong. The handle should have had no way to do what it did. So, you need to go look at another snow caster or the parts diagram to customize the caster.

Those blue belts only last about 1 hour on Case tractors. Too much twisting and torque. OEM belts, 10 years for most people.

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:11 pm**

So took the 4.5” flat idler pulley off and put a 3” on. That lifted the arm up to a reasonable level. Not as close to ground now. Tested it in snow and it worked good. Good power. Snow caster throws reasonable. Traction is my trouble now. Need better chains.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:23 pm**

Don't you have weight on the rear of the tractor?

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:27 pm**

75 lb wheel weights. And chains. But chains fall in bars on tires. Slip on ice. Tires are 6 ply and hard. No flex. I’ll have to do some thinking Eugen.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:51 pm**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:27 pm 75 lb wheel weights. And chains. But chains fall in bars on tires. Slip on ice. Tires are 6 ply and hard. No flex. I’ll have to do some thinking Eugen.

Noel

With lugs you need 2 link chains or stud the lugs . . You have enough weight on there . I personally run turfs with chain winter and lugs in the summer .

Dave

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:15 pm**

Yep, I should get a extra set of wheels and put my turf tires on them. The original turf tires are only two ply and have lots of flex. Then put a set of two link chains on, plus the weights, for winter. And just run the ags in the three other seasons. But the ags look sooo good. Hehe. Hard to find wheels here. Looked when I got the ag tires. So I could switch them if I wanted. Any thing I buy has to be used, cause can hardly afford anything new, and even used is pricey and very hard to find.
I’ll rig up something.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:23 pm**

I’ve allways heard that chains were no good with ag tire because they fall in between the lugs. This is the first time I have experienced that. I never thought I would ever say, I should be using turf tires and chains. Ive argued over the forms for years defending putting chains on ag tires. I have other garden tractors with ags and chains and never had a problem. So there ya go. I was not completely right. Hehe.
Any way, I’ll see what I can do with out spending much money.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:22 pm**

My 446 with 200+ lbs on the back and ag tires with no chains had good traction. Can you add some chain to create cross links over the lugs? And definitely more weight. If you have a sleeve hitch it's not that hard to add weight. My 446 came with a vertical rod on which the previous owner put old brake rotors and weight lifting disks.

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:36 pm**

It would be easy to say "just get a set of turfs, load and chain them, and swap them out for winter", but I know that they probably aren't easy to find by you.
The farm tractor chains we use to have had H- pattern crosslinks.

Tim

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:37 pm**

Eugen wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:22 pm My 446 with 200+ lbs on the back and ag tires with no chains had good traction. Can you add some chain to create cross links over the lugs? And definitely more weight. If you have a sleeve hitch it's not that hard to add weight. My 446 came with a vertical rod on which the previous owner put old brake rotors and weight lifting disks.

I hope to add chain some how Eugen, I’ll add some thing on them. No sleeve hitch. The rod is a good idea. On the 224 I used a couple of rotors.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:42 pm**

Timj wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:36 pm It would be easy to say "just get a set of turfs, load and chain them, and swap them out for winter", but I know that they probably aren't easy to find by you.
The farm tractor chains we use to have had H- pattern crosslinks.
Tim

Those H pattern chains look good. But finding them getting them is another costly thing.
The turf tires I have. Need wheels.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:28 pm**

Something to keep in mind is that the physical forces that are important here are related like this: F = mu * N, where
* F is the friction force with which the ground pushes against the surface of the tire.
* mu is the friction coefficient, and in part it depends on the state of the surface of the ground, and in part on the type of tire and whether you have chains on it or not.
* N is the normal force, and is best described as the force the ground pushes up on the tire, due to the weight of the tractor on the wheel.

As you can see, the force to go forward, F, is a product of both mu and N. You can control both mu and N. But let's say you Noel, have done everything you could to make mu bigger. It's not all lost, you can continue to make F bigger by making N bigger, that is, add more weight to the rear wheels!!! Work with what you have.

Posted: **Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:02 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:15 pm Yep, I should get a extra set of wheels and put my turf tires on them. The original turf tires are only two ply and have lots of flex. Then put a set of two link chains on, plus the weights, for winter. And just run the ags in the three other seasons. But the ags look sooo good. Hehe. Hard to find wheels here. Looked when I got the ag tires. So I could switch them if I wanted. Any thing I buy has to be used, cause can hardly afford anything new, and even used is pricey and very hard to find.
I’ll rig up something.

Noel

Have you thought of making some wheel adaptors? 16" Ford or Chevy rims should be fairly cheap at a salvage yard. I don't recall all of the details, but on the old group someone said a 60's trucks used our bolt pattern before the government mandated a change between automotive and ag bolt patterns.

Gordy

Posted: **Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:35 am**

@Propane57 Noel what psi are you running in the those lugs . To much and they wont bite . Should be about 6lbs for a tire that size . The other thing is you can do is to make your chains 2 link by adding extra chain in between what is already there. Or make them into "H" chains , again by adding more chain . I have made and customized chains many times . Start by laying them out on a piece of plywood pull tight in all directions and screw into place . That will hold it while you work . There are many ways to add extra chain , cut and weld links, threaded links, squeeze links , choice is yours . Twisted link is best ( the kind they used to make them ) .

Dave

Posted: **Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:07 am**

Yep. Got all those ideas in my head Dave. Tires are at 8 psi, which is what Case recommends, but thats with the turf tires. I may drop them a pound or two. But don’t want the tire to come of the rim, it if gets traction and wheel spins in tire. That’s not good. They say, you should have at least 6 psi to keep the tire on the rim.
Ive got some ice chains one some 23x8x12 tires that I don’t use any more, but can’t get to them with the snow.
Thanks Dave. I’ll come up with something.

Noel

Posted: **Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:10 am**

Gordy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:02 am
Propane57 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:15 pm Yep, I should get a extra set of wheels and put my turf tires on them. The original turf tires are only two ply and have lots of flex. Then put a set of two link chains on, plus the weights, for winter. And just run the ags in the three other seasons. But the ags look sooo good. Hehe. Hard to find wheels here. Looked when I got the ag tires. So I could switch them if I wanted. Any thing I buy has to be used, cause can hardly afford anything new, and even used is pricey and very hard to find.
I’ll rig up something.

Noel
Have you thought of making some wheel adaptors? 16" Ford or Chevy rims should be fairly cheap at a salvage yard. I don't recall all of the details, but on the old group someone said a 60's trucks used our bolt pattern before the government mandated a change between automotive and ag bolt patterns.

Gordy

Never thought of that Gordy.

Noel

Posted: **Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:13 am**

[url]https://specialtytire.ca/product/ag-wh- ... -on-6//url] Theses are new . So if they sell them new , A farm equipment salvage yard could have used cheaper. Something I looked into before , but I can not remember what equipment ran these sizes but I think it was wagons . 6x6 bolt circle is an agg set up . If you have a farm equipment shop near by , it might be worth a chat.

Dave

Posted: **Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:52 am**

I did a lot of looking at those places Dave and couldn’t seem to find much. Found some wheels but the off set was not right.
I got the chains tightened up more and that seemed to help. Have to wait till I get it out again. Still gunna find some chain and do cross chains or go 45 degrees from the original cross chain to the next one. I’d like to get to my ice chains on the other tires, may not be enough but would help.

Noel

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:03 am**

So my test run on the tightened chains not so good. Some of the cross chains fell in between the lugs. But it was better. Chewed trough a few banks of rock hard frozen stuff. About half the width of the thrower. This snow is so hard you would need a round point shovel to break it apart.
Any way, on to plan C or D or,,,,,, and get a bigger thinkin cap. Hehe.
Idler arm height is better but still bothers me. Picture. It would have been much lower than that before I changed the flat idler.

Noel

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:33 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:03 am So my test run on the tightened chains not so good. Some of the cross chains fell in between the lugs. But it was better. Chewed trough a few banks of rock hard frozen stuff. About half the width of the thrower. This snow is so hard you would need a round point shovel to break it apart.
Any way, on to plan C or D or,,,,,, and get a bigger thinkin cap. Hehe.
Idler arm height is better but still bothers me. Picture. It would have been much lower than that before I changed the flat idler.

Noel

I think at this point it might be wise to go up one size with your belt and adjust spring accordingly . I will watch closely when mounting the caster on mine when ready to see what maybe going on .

Dave

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:03 pm**

So did more thinking on the chains ! I ended up at Princess auto and bought some chain. 40 feet’s worth. On sale if any of you are looking for chain!
So I put this on the old chain and I hoping it will keep the original chain from falling in between the lugs. And should give more traction. Maybe. So might help might not. Will see. Got one tire done today. Other one tomorrow, maybe. At least is continuous all the why around so should be reasonable ride too. Ice chains would be better.

Noel

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:41 pm**

@Propane57 I like it . I think that will work good . I was looking at tire chain designs and that design has got very popular with bigger rigs .

Dave

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:00 pm**

So used 18’ to do one tire. And it adds 6 lbs of weight. Woo hoo. Hehe. Cheap fix if it works. No snow coming this weekend.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:08 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:00 pm So used 18’ to do one tire. And it adds 6 lbs of weight. Woo hoo. Hehe. Cheap fix if it works. No snow coming this weekend.

Noel

I am sure you can find some snow in the neighbour hood to try it out on . Looks like you guys have no shortage of it laying around .

Dave

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:54 am**

All snow and banks froze like ice. Need round point shovel jus to break in to them. But I’m hoping to get the other one done today. Maybe get it out and try it some where.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:33 am**

Those look nice and should will work well. I think what your doing is the only way to effectively use chains on ag tires. My 6018bh has the 29x12.5-15 ags on it and once your on ice and flat ground I'm not going anywhere. I'd like to make up some chains like what your doing. In the snow I'm fine.

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Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:08 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:03 pm So did more thinking on the chains ! I ended up at Princess auto and bought some chain. 40 feet’s worth. On sale if any of you are looking for chain!
So I put this on the old chain and I hoping it will keep the original chain from falling in between the lugs. And should give more traction. Maybe. So might help might not. Will see. Got one tire done today. Other one tomorrow, maybe. At least is continuous all the why around so should be reasonable ride too. Ice chains would be better.

Noel

They came out nice Noel, just what I was thinking. And didn't cost you your right arm.

I didn't go looking to see if you could buy a set for our size or not, but I'm sure they would be pricey.

They should give you about as good of traction as your going to get.

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:04 am**

Eugen wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:22 pm My 446 with 200+ lbs on the back and ag tires with no chains had good traction. Can you add some chain to create cross links over the lugs? And definitely more weight. If you have a sleeve hitch it's not that hard to add weight. My 446 came with a vertical rod on which the previous owner put old brake rotors and weight lifting disks.

I run ags year-round. Weight is the main traction issue most of the time. Over 6 years of having the ags I only had one instance where the ice, freezing rain, made my tractor useless. My tires have 132lbs of Rim Guard per tire and recently added 104lbs per tire of steel weight. And then whatever the cab weighs.

The 644 has 2 link chains on 29-12.50 turfs. That is a common size used on Kabota tractors. I have 2 sets that were Kabota take-offs. They are also filled with Rim Guard and a weight box with 500 lbs. On the ice, you can not tell you are on ice. The only issue with ice and good traction is steering. But, If you steer only in reverse, that solves that. The regular GT's with a caster is the same. They steer better in reverse.

But, I have to clear the snow before I can drive much of it with the turfs and chains over the ags. Depending on the type of snow.

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:09 am**

I've been saying this from the beginning, more weight!

The chains will helpful on ice though and I like the design Noel, nice job! How did you connect the new chain links to the old one?

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:18 pm**

I cut the link, bent the link open, fit it through the original chain link, then bent the new link back. A lot of vise grip work. Hands and arms are tired.

Well, not done today. 5 more spaces to do. Maybe tomorrow I’ll finish.

Tonite’s supper is homemade beans, that were brought in from the country yesterday, and homemade biscuits brought in from the same place yesterday. Did you need any extra natural gas Dave for your shortages. I could send some, if you need it.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:23 pm**

I have other tractors with ag tires and chains. 4 in total. Here’s two. Never gave any trouble with the chain falling between the lugs.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:47 pm**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:18 pm I cut the link, bent the link open, fit it through the original chain link, then bent the new link back. A lot of vise grip work. Hands and arms are tired.

Well, not done today. 5 more spaces to do. Maybe tomorrow I’ll finish.

Tonite’s supper is homemade beans, that were brought in from the country yesterday, and homemade biscuits brought in from the same place yesterday. Did you need any extra natural gas Dave for your shortages. I could send some, if you need it.

Noel

Dave

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:49 pm**

On its way, Dave. Not easy to push it west. But it will git there. Maybe have to go round the world to get to you, who knows what type of natural gas it will pick up along the way.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:00 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:49 pm On its way, Dave. Not easy to push it west. But it will git there. Maybe have to go round the world to get to you, who knows what type of natural gas it will pick up along the way.

Noel

Careful of those pilot lights .

Dave

Posted: **Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:44 pm**

Finished up the chains on the Case 446. I might take it out tomorrow and see what the ride is like and get them settled in. See if I can find some snow to throw. All snow froze like ice. Some snow coming Tuesday, Only a little. Then Saturday maybe 10/15 cm. Could change thou, by then.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:10 pm**

Looks great Noel!

Posted: **Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:53 pm**

So, I the Case 446 out for a spin. Ride is rough but better that it was. Same with the traction. It’s better, but could be better. But I was not into normal snow. I think under normal snow storm conditions the traction should be OK. I was into frozen banks with previous thrown snow on top from the last storm. I did chew away at a bank and it did the job. I moved what I wanted. No break downs and the chains seem to be still in place. And the original chains did not fall between the lugs, which was what I was trying to fix. So all in all, it’s good. Next test is to get a snow storm and see how it works.
So it got put to the front of the line up. And I might say good morning to it tomorrow. Hehe.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:31 am**

I’m sure most of you have seen this video, as I have. And watched it a few times over the years. But this time when I watched it , I was looking for the position of the idler tension arm that I was having trouble with. So you can see with the thrower in the up position, that you can see the arm below the thrower. This is what mine looks like now. I would guess that mine was very close to the ground, before my fix, and this is why it caught in the ground and flipped under the tractor.
Nice video and tractor works good with no chains or rear hanging weight.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:44 am**

Noel, I gave you the distance on mine, which is original as far as I can tell. What is your distance from the end of the lever to the ground now?

BTW, if the weight on the wheel on the tractor in the pics you show is steel, then he's got around 300 lbs there.

Posted: **Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm**

Ya they even look heavy those weights. Ok, is your measurement with the thrower up or down Eugen.

After looking at your pictures again, your thrower is in the up position. Mine tension arm end is down just below the the caster frame, like the one in the picture I posted of the demonstrator. I’ll measure mine today.

Noel.

Posted: **Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:36 pm**

From the picture I think I can say the bottom of the end of the lever was about 6 inches from the ground. Now you can see if yours is far off or very close to this. You can also see how far up the bottom of the caster is, about 3 inches from the ground.

Posted: **Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:25 pm**

Some pictures of measurements. First ones are of the 446. Next ones the 224.

Noel

Oops, pictures in wrong order. 224 first, 446 second. Or non painted 224 and painted pictures 446. Sorry.

Posted: **Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:45 pm**

Noel, just a side note, you can use the button "Place inline" next to the little picture of the image you upload. That will place the right code wherever your cursor is (blinking thing that shows where you type) such that the picture will not show at the end of the message, but in between the text where you put it. That way you can have control of the order in which pictures show, and also the position within your message.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:25 am**

Had 446 out for a little test run and some fun. Was a wee little bit of snow down. So wife left with car gave me the chance to clean it up a bit.
Work good. No break down. So I’ve been saying good morning to it while I say good morning to all the other tractors now, no kicking it, for now. Hehe.
We will see how it works in the wet snow on Sunday.

Noel

Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

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