Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Timj wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:36 pm It would be easy to say "just get a set of turfs, load and chain them, and swap them out for winter", but I know that they probably aren't easy to find by you.
The farm tractor chains we use to have had H- pattern crosslinks.
Tim

Those H pattern chains look good. But finding them getting them is another costly thing.
The turf tires I have. Need wheels.

Noel

Something to keep in mind is that the physical forces that are important here are related like this: F = mu * N, where
* F is the friction force with which the ground pushes against the surface of the tire.
* mu is the friction coefficient, and in part it depends on the state of the surface of the ground, and in part on the type of tire and whether you have chains on it or not.
* N is the normal force, and is best described as the force the ground pushes up on the tire, due to the weight of the tractor on the wheel.

As you can see, the force to go forward, F, is a product of both mu and N. You can control both mu and N. But let's say you Noel, have done everything you could to make mu bigger. It's not all lost, you can continue to make F bigger by making N bigger, that is, add more weight to the rear wheels!!! Work with what you have.

Propane57 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:15 pm Yep, I should get a extra set of wheels and put my turf tires on them. The original turf tires are only two ply and have lots of flex. Then put a set of two link chains on, plus the weights, for winter. And just run the ags in the three other seasons. But the ags look sooo good. Hehe. Hard to find wheels here. Looked when I got the ag tires. So I could switch them if I wanted. Any thing I buy has to be used, cause can hardly afford anything new, and even used is pricey and very hard to find.
I’ll rig up something.

Noel

Have you thought of making some wheel adaptors? 16" Ford or Chevy rims should be fairly cheap at a salvage yard. I don't recall all of the details, but on the old group someone said a 60's trucks used our bolt pattern before the government mandated a change between automotive and ag bolt patterns.


Gordy

@Propane57 Noel what psi are you running in the those lugs . To much and they wont bite . Should be about 6lbs for a tire that size . The other thing is you can do is to make your chains 2 link by adding extra chain in between what is already there. Or make them into "H" chains , again by adding more chain . I have made and customized chains many times . Start by laying them out on a piece of plywood pull tight in all directions and screw into place . That will hold it while you work . There are many ways to add extra chain , cut and weld links, threaded links, squeeze links , choice is yours . Twisted link is best ( the kind they used to make them ) .

Dave

Yep. Got all those ideas in my head Dave. Tires are at 8 psi, which is what Case recommends, but thats with the turf tires. I may drop them a pound or two. But don’t want the tire to come of the rim, it if gets traction and wheel spins in tire. That’s not good. They say, you should have at least 6 psi to keep the tire on the rim.
Ive got some ice chains one some 23x8x12 tires that I don’t use any more, but can’t get to them with the snow.
Thanks Dave. I’ll come up with something.

Noel

Gordy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:02 am

Propane57 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:15 pm Yep, I should get a extra set of wheels and put my turf tires on them. The original turf tires are only two ply and have lots of flex. Then put a set of two link chains on, plus the weights, for winter. And just run the ags in the three other seasons. But the ags look sooo good. Hehe. Hard to find wheels here. Looked when I got the ag tires. So I could switch them if I wanted. Any thing I buy has to be used, cause can hardly afford anything new, and even used is pricey and very hard to find.
I’ll rig up something.

Noel

Have you thought of making some wheel adaptors? 16" Ford or Chevy rims should be fairly cheap at a salvage yard. I don't recall all of the details, but on the old group someone said a 60's trucks used our bolt pattern before the government mandated a change between automotive and ag bolt patterns.


Gordy

Never thought of that Gordy.

Noel

[url]https://specialtytire.ca/product/ag-wh- ... -on-6//url] Theses are new . So if they sell them new , A farm equipment salvage yard could have used cheaper. Something I looked into before , but I can not remember what equipment ran these sizes but I think it was wagons . 6x6 bolt circle is an agg set up . If you have a farm equipment shop near by , it might be worth a chat.

Dave

I did a lot of looking at those places Dave and couldn’t seem to find much. Found some wheels but the off set was not right.
I got the chains tightened up more and that seemed to help. Have to wait till I get it out again. Still gunna find some chain and do cross chains or go 45 degrees from the original cross chain to the next one. I’d like to get to my ice chains on the other tires, may not be enough but would help.

Noel

So my test run on the tightened chains not so good. Some of the cross chains fell in between the lugs. But it was better. Chewed trough a few banks of rock hard frozen stuff. About half the width of the thrower. This snow is so hard you would need a round point shovel to break it apart.
Any way, on to plan C or D or,,,,,, and get a bigger thinkin cap. Hehe.
Idler arm height is better but still bothers me. Picture. It would have been much lower than that before I changed the flat idler.

Noel

Propane57 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:03 am So my test run on the tightened chains not so good. Some of the cross chains fell in between the lugs. But it was better. Chewed trough a few banks of rock hard frozen stuff. About half the width of the thrower. This snow is so hard you would need a round point shovel to break it apart.
Any way, on to plan C or D or,,,,,, and get a bigger thinkin cap. Hehe.
Idler arm height is better but still bothers me. Picture. It would have been much lower than that before I changed the flat idler.

Noel

I think at this point it might be wise to go up one size with your belt and adjust spring accordingly . I will watch closely when mounting the caster on mine when ready to see what maybe going on .

Dave