Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Harry , how much air pressure you run it those ? You don't seam to have any side wall squat .

The sidewall reads 20 psi for off road use, so I put in 20 lbs. I still have to install the weights. The combine weights are 130 lbs and I have a 50 lbs weight between the wheel and combine weight. The weights I most recently purchased are also 130 lbs. They are dished and fit over the combine weights. So a little over 300 lbs per side to be added. Then I’ll see how much squat there are on the tires. Harry

That looks like a lot of weight... In reality it isn't bad (apart from actually handleing them)
My loader unit (former BH) has the 500# backhoe weight hanging on the rear, and then at one point I had to add 2 - 50# Deere wheel weights to each side to get to 700# plus me. Kinda goofy sticking out like that, but without it, the rears were spinning due to the big load I was dealing with up front, and the kinda muddy conditions.

I have had Beet Juice in my tires for my 448 for 5-6 years. Very thick and sticky, smells like beets! I ran it in my rear tires for 4 years with tubes. I thought they had put tubes in the front tires, also. But when I was moldboard plowing and the RH tire got cranked hard in the furrow it leaked some juice. Smelly and dark brown! I took another set of fronts to the same tire shop, different guy working that day and he stated they wouldn't load GT fronts with beet juice anymore. I asked why with tubes they wouldn't do it. He said that with most GT tires they couldn't get the valve stems where they needed them to be in order to put tubes in them. Told me that my fronts with beet juice in them would have been done w/o tubes. I had been told that they had installed tubes prior to the beet juice. Developed a bad leak in the one front tire a year ago when I leaned on the sidewall pretty had, again, and tire came loose w/o a tube inside.

The reason I got rid of the rears with Beet Juice was my cousin who has a 6018 had finally worn his tires out and didn't want to put new tires on BC he didn't use the machine that much. I had told him that the 16 inch tires from a 400 machine should fit. Long story/short - he talked me out of my rears with Juice in them in exchange for A rear mounted RM48 deck, that needed some repair.

So my tires with Juice in them are on his 6018, with a pair of the original steel weights for the 6018 on each side didn't slipped at all when he had a bucket full of snow.

I have enough weights for my 448 when I Moldboard plow/or till to hold it down. Or when I use my 4020 to do the same thing!

Harry wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:27 am

MattA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:51 pm Harry do those tires ever spin?

Why do you ask?

Curiosity

Painted wheel weights today with a quart I found at a garage sale last summer. Harry

The beet juice is brown and stinks a bit like a beet that sat around for a while.

It does weigh more than other options that I know of. It weighs over 11 pounds per gallon. It may seem pricey, but unless you get a very good deal on steel weights, and then being able to find them is the other issue. The most premium benefit of liquid ballast is that it has the lowest center of gravity, and it is not part of the rotating mass, so there is no extra strain on the drive system, except for the extra traction you will get.

Your tire store that will not put beat juice or inner tubes into the front wheels is too ignorant to know that they are stupid, literally. They make tubes with valve stems offset from the radial round of the tire for the placement of where the valve stem comes through the rim. Then, on top of that, only Rim Guard is known to blow the brass out of a rubber valve stem, and it does not matter if it is in a tube or in the rim. Then, on top of that, they do make all brass and all stainless steel valve stems for the rims. They also make the steel or brass valve stems for most inner tubes as well.

Then, Harry, you only use the maximum pressure in tires if you are running the stated maximum weight for the tire. Your picture with the tires shows that you are way over-inflated on your tires.

In the off-road community, you would not be allowed on the trails or hills unless you were running about 4 psi max on those tires. I have 4-ply ag tires on my 4020PS with Beet Juice, and the inner combine weighs 104 lbs each. I have inner tubes with steel valve stems and bead-glued tires. I only have about 2 psi using an ATV tire gauge with a max of 20 psi.

I have a State of Michigan ORV park on Lake Michigan that I have enjoyed many times. The difference in traction from 16 psi to 12 psi is pronounced, even in tires that had max psi at 50. Until the last twenty years, every vehicle I bought was 4WD, and I installed lift kits on all of them. I also went from P-rated tires to LT and more ply tires on each of them. On none of the lifted vehicles with big truck-rated tires was I anywhere near the normal 32 psi on the road. You used the vehicle tire sticker to calculate the original weight per axle against the maximum weight capacity of the original P-rated tires to get the manufacture weight design per axle and then extrapolate that to the larger and more ply and more weight capacity to figure out what psi to run on the street that would carry the same as the original tires. Normally, my street pressure was 15-20 psi. That really depended on how much bigger the tire was. That also depended on how much money I was willing to spend. If I went with really big tires and a really big lift-kit, then I also had to change out the gears in the front and rear diffs. That was even more math.

But I would guess that those big tires would be just fine at around 8 psi. And you will love the ride much more. Right now, your contact patch is screaming way over-inflated.

I have a front-mount Grasshopper. Those tires are at 6 psi, stock size, and exactly the original tire. Yet the forums are filled with guys wanting air-ride seats. I do not need an air ride seat. I have air ride tires. The ride gets bouncy at times, but it rarely is harsh. Down by the shoreline, I have some rough spots made by the wildlife. I do not think it is active any longer, and I just need to remember when I am out there with the loader that I need to fill and smooth that.

There has to many projects that have taken priority to finish the 646 tires and wheel weights. Cutting grass for one and starting new evergreen cuttings for two. Sooner or later I’ll get the weights on adjust tire pressure and I’ll post some pics. Spring is in full bloom in my backyard. Harry

@ssmewing good point on tire pressure. On my big tractors I think max psi is something like 35 or 40. I run right around 12psi in them. I can’t remember what I have in my garden tractors. Might have to play around with that.

Just made that point to my daughter when her husband put all of the tires on her Ford Escape to 40# because that's what it said on the sidewall.

Bob