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Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:59 am
by Eugen
I had started this post yesterday, then life took over and couldn't finish it.

22 tonnes of a-gravel arrived yesterday morning via a triaxle dump truck; needless to say our boys got really excited, a mound of new material to explore, climb, and dig. The gravel mission is to live under the addition and, if any left, fill up some lower spots in the driveway.

After digging the two stumps out the area was left with two large holes, about 10x4 feet each and various deformed terrain. Then we got quite a bit of rain which made the whole thing unmanageable with the 644. Little by little, in the last few days of dry weather, the dirt got pushed around, still soft in places, but managed not to get stuck like it did on the first day I tried -- had to pull the tractor out with the car.

Early morning yesterday I made a last effort to level the ground and once the gravel arrived I declared the area ready for it. The 644 is no bulldozer that's for sure. I'm not sure if it's easier to level dirt with a blade, but the other tractor that I could put a blade on doesn't have any way of hooking a weight box on the back and has no AG tires, so I did what I could with the 644 bucket.

Carried about 4-5 buckets of gravel, and suddenly a puff of white smoke with smell of burned wire insulation came from under the hood. Turned the tractor off quickly and as fast as I could pulled the wired off the battery. I could see the insulation on one of the wires bubbling. :109: Two wires coming from the ignition switch were burned, one going to +Battery and the other to the high voltage coil.
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Upon closer inspection it seemed that the insulation was melted only on half the wire. Maybe it got pinched at that spot and shorted to ground? Not sure, but from that spot the melted insulation went to IGN on the switch, then out the BAT terminal to the positive post on the battery, another wire with melted insulation. Made new wires with proper contacts, and that got me back to regular schedule, moving and spreading gravel.

After a while of doing that, my wife stops me showing me a part that looked like the front axle center pin, she found in the dirt as I was backing up the tractor. Sure enough, it was it. Somehow the retaining bolt was gone, and nowhere to be found. Another snag, but easily fixed. Done that too, cleaned up the pin really well, new old bolt, new grease pumped in, and on to more gravel duty.
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As three's a charm, I was waiting for something else to go wrong. Sure enough, after about an hour of work the tractor again stared to lower in RPM, and wanted more and more choke, until eventually it just stopped. Something to do with heat I'm thinking. But that was enough work for the day.
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Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:11 pm
by propane1
Rough day Eugen. Hopefully things will be better the next usage.

Noel

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:05 pm
by Spike188
@Eugen I have weeks like that followed by a promise to myself, "I will do better proactive maintenance before next use." An thus another pipe dream goes up in smoke.

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:15 pm
by DavidBarkey
@Eugen I found loaders work better back dragging than pushing . And on the bright side , thing usually come in 3s, So once your 3rd issue is fixed you'll be all good for a while .

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:17 pm
by Eugen
That's a good tip which I found through trial and error.

Didn't mean this as a negative posting. We would get bored if the path to everything was straight. :rofl:

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:17 pm
by propane1
I just remembered some thing about hot engines. Late timing will make them run hot. And the later the timing the hotter they get.

Just a very quick ramble.

Noel

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:46 pm
by JSinMO
Breakdowns when your trying to get something done sure can be aggravating. We’ve all been there! Glad you were able to work through the issues. Looks like you made some good progress!

I had a similar issue with wiring right after we moved here. I was mowing down our small field and just as I made the last pass I saw the white smoke! I had a wire rub through and go to ground. Every wire on the tractor burned up before I could get stopped! Luckily on an old tractor it’s only 4 or 5 wires! Now I have added inline fuses to my tractors to prevent that from happening again.

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:23 am
by DavidBarkey
I always wounder why the engineers put smoke in the wires if it was bad to let it out . :writing: :hm: ;)

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:32 am
by propane1
Green smoke is the worst. And ya can’t put it back in. :D
Propane appliances have green smoke from modules when they fry. Guaranteed no good after green smoke. :giggle: :giggle:


Noel

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:58 am
by Eugen
you guys! :rofl:

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:08 am
by Jancoe
DavidBarkey wrote:I always wounder why the engineers put smoke in the wires if it was bad to let it out . :writing: :hm: ;)
Yeah, I remember My Dad telling me as a kid that "once you let the smoke out, you can't put it back in". Boy was he right lol.

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Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:41 pm
by propane1
So,, Eugen. Did you get the tractor working again.

And you have to be careful when back dragging with a loader and bucket. If you have your bucket cylinders out all the way and your being a bit aggressive pulling dirt, you can bend your bucket cylinders when extended out. Not much rod left in the bore at that point.

Just a quick ramble. Was behind on them. :D


Noel

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:17 pm
by Eugen
Propane57 wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:41 pm So,, Eugen. Did you get the tractor working again.
Oh yeah, each problem fixed right away and continued working. It's good that I happen to have on hand connectors, wires, crimper. Told my wife last night "see how that professional crimper I got in Toronto for $10 just paid for itself?" Can't think of another reason for the smoke but a wire insulation gap somewhere and touching the frame. How it got there, not sure. Was back to normal with new wires.

As for the front axle pin, easily fixed with a new bolt. Cleaned up, lubed, and back to work.

And you have to be careful when back dragging with a loader and bucket. If you have your bucket cylinders out all the way and your being a bit aggressive pulling dirt, you can bend your bucket cylinders when extended out. Not much rod left in the bore at that point.

Just a quick ramble. Was behind on them. :D
Noel
Good ramble! I think all cylinders were just partway out and I didn't really drag hard, but yeah, I should pay attention to that.

But I hit a pretty big snag regarding the building permit, I visited the permit office yesterday. So, time to regroup, lick wounds, and see what can be done. :109:

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:48 pm
by DavidBarkey
Oh no Engen ,now what kind of grief is the Township throwing at you ?

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:59 pm
by Timj
When it comes to operating equipment there is not much better than seat time to get it down.
As the bucket reacts to what the wheels do, it is best to try to work your way in from the most smooth and level spots. Go slow,. Take your time and know that some days you just have to finish up with a shovel and a rake. :violin:
I don't know if bending cylinders on the 600's is a issue or not. My brother in law has had trouble with his 310 Deere's, they have the single center bucket cylinder, and they bend and break so easy you can't do anything with the bucket curled down.
Back dragging with the bucket almost flat will help tune things up.
You will have it down about the time you are done and be ready for next time. :highfive:

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:00 pm
by propane1
Beepin permits anyway. Hope you get through it ok.

Noel

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:49 pm
by Eugen

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:57 pm
by DavidBarkey
I wish I could work that fast . I am out of breath just watch it .

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:36 pm
by JSinMO
Looks like you got the bugs worked out. You sure work fast!

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:19 pm
by propane1
It must have over heated working that fast. :giggle: :giggle:

Does a nice job Eugen.


Noel

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:42 pm
by Eugen
:rofl: you guys!

Re: Gravel duty adventures

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:47 am
by Harry
Glad to see it working fine after all the tinkering!

Keep the Peace :peace: :cop:
Harry