Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:34 am**

I’ll have to go out soon to the garage and give the tractors a pep talk, especially the Case 446. It is in front, first one out the door. This storm is gunna tell if the Case 446 is gunna work or not.
All other tractors will be on stand by.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:37 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:34 am I’ll have to go out soon to the garage and give the tractors a pep talk, especially the Case 446. It is in front, first one out the door. This storm is gunna tell if the Case 446 is gunna work or not.
All other tractors will be on stand by.

Noel

Good luck Noel , I see you guys are getting hammered again . Are you getting the high winds too??

Dave

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:45 am**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:37 am
Propane57 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:34 am I’ll have to go out soon to the garage and give the tractors a pep talk, especially the Case 446. It is in front, first one out the door. This storm is gunna tell if the Case 446 is gunna work or not.
All other tractors will be on stand by.

Noel
Good luck Noel , I see you guys are getting hammered again . Are you getting the high winds too??

Dave

Yep, 30 to 40 cm, 100 kilometre NE wind. Then freezing rain, ice pellets and some rain. Then tomorrow, Colder flurries blowing snow. I may not be doing the driveway till Monday. But will see what Sunday afternoon is like.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:53 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:45 am
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:37 am
Propane57 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:34 am I’ll have to go out soon to the garage and give the tractors a pep talk, especially the Case 446. It is in front, first one out the door. This storm is gunna tell if the Case 446 is gunna work or not.
All other tractors will be on stand by.

Noel
Good luck Noel , I see you guys are getting hammered again . Are you getting the high winds too??

Dave
Yep, 30 to 40 cm, 100 kilometre NE wind. Then freezing rain, ice pellets and some rain. Then tomorrow, Colder flurries blowing snow. I may not be doing the driveway till Monday. But will see what Sunday afternoon is like.

Noel

Son of a

, No snow here just

bitter cold.
-28 last night , -38 with the wind chill

Dave

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:16 am**

Jumpins Dave. That’s cold. And with no snow, feels even colder.
We had flurries all day yesterday. Fair amount came down.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:47 am**

Cripes! You can send the snow this way but keep the freezing rain and wind

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:23 am**

It’s like this Eugen, if you get a free tree for firewood from somebody, ya gotta take the brush too. Hehe.

I sure would like it to go away, for sure.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:25 am**

So I’ve had my chat with all the tractors about what going on and what’s going to happen within the next day or so. And all tractors agree that it’s time for the Case 446 to show them what it can do. Been here for a year and a half. Time to see it at work. All tractors agree to be on stand by for the Case thou.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:35 am**

Hour of reckoning for the Case 446!

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:54 am**

That's quite the multicultural fleet you've got there... With it being powder, and blowing, I think I'd be leaning toward that Ford...

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:14 pm**

She’s bad out now, plows called off the highways.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:07 pm**

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:14 pm**

Two pictures only about an hour apart.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:20 pm**

@Propane57 Put another log on the fire , I thinking your going to need it .

Dave

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:23 pm**

Snow has slowed down a lot. But still windy 90 kilometres.
Next door neighbour kids up on roof of old barn again. Must be getting nice out.

Another picture of my truck. About a hour from the last one.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:23 pm**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:23 pm Snow has slowed down a lot. But still windy 90 kilometres.
Next door neighbour kids up on roof of old barn again. Must be getting nice out.
Another picture of my truck. About a hour from the last one.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:51 pm**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:23 pm Snow has slowed down a lot. But still windy 90 kilometres.
Next door neighbour kids up on roof of old barn again. Must be getting nice out.
Another picture of my truck. About a hour from the last one.

Noel

How the hell they get up there ?
Dave

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:04 pm**

I’m not sure Dave. Not my barn. Next doors barn. 12, 12 pitch roof. I just missed getting a picture of them up there. Most parents tell there kids to , go play on the road, hehe. These ones must tell their kids to go play on the roof, in the middle of a snow storm.
They were on the higher section.

Takes all kinds to make the world go round, just wish they would move to some other part of the world. But then ya never know what’s gunna move in.

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:20 pm**

Those kids, that were on the roof, are outside now in their front yard now playing. Hehe.
Storm is mostly done. Most snow is done and wind is at 65 kilometres. Supposed to pick up some tomorrow morning a bit.
Hard to say but I’d say about 1/2 as much as the last storm two weeks ago. But enough.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:30 pm**

My future son in law out Plowing. He’s a great young fella.

Noel

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:49 pm**

Great picture!

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:15 am**

Storm is over, still a bit windy and drifting some. Not as much snow as two weeks ago, I don’t think. I’m sure I can get out the door with no trouble. But what ever amount it is, it’s to much. Hehe. So I’ll get out later maybe and see how much is really down.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:33 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:30 pm My future son in law out Plowing. He’s a great young fella.

Noel

Working on the brownie points is he .

Milk that for all it's worth .

Dave

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:40 am**

Getting a little snow now , not as cold . Which is good . With all the sun and stupid cold nights I have a downspout froze up under the deck . It has never done that before putting the deck on the front . I think because the tube being shaded now and no snow at the base where it goes into the ground has caused it to freeze up at the base before it could all drain away . That will be todays adventure . get it thawed out and pack hay bays around it for now .

Dave

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:21 am**

He runs a highway Plow Dave, for doin roads in his area.
Some snow pictures at my place.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:12 pm**

So the Case 446 did well. After a year and a half of working on it, to finally get a good run throwing snow, about three hours of run time. No break downs, lots of power, great traction. Doesn’t throw snow that far, thrower design, had to rethrow snow three times to get it off the driveway into the woods, snow falls on the belt when snow deeper than thrower, thrower design, steering traction not the greatest ? But overall a good tractor and thrower. Was pinging a bit under load. Does it need high test fuel. And used some oil too. Not smoking thou.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:34 pm**

@Propane57 Noel What oil are you running in it ? Carbon build up will make it ping . Lean will cause ping, Ethanol will cause lean . Oil usage will cause carbon build up . I run 15w40 diesel oil summer 5w40 diesel winter and Seafoam in all my gas year round . I have never needed to decarbon the heads on Frankie . He is in need of some new gaskets and seals and valves cut while in there this summer , but have not touch the engine in 7 years other than change oil, filters and change plugs.

Dave

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:25 pm**

I’d say running rich Dave , because of the black on my nice paint at the exhaust outlet. Hehe. So I need to adjust that. I run 10w-30 in all tractors summer and winter. Just much simpler that way. Some engines use oil under load and some don’t. She had quite a work out today. It has not run like that since I got it and old owners didn’t run it that much either, then it sat for a few years before I got it. I am going to add some transmission fluid to the gas and oil to help with the carbon, if there is any. What do you run for fuel. Regular or high test.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:55 pm**

So Noel, which is your best tractor for cleaning snow now, the Ford?

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:17 pm**

Eugen wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:55 pm So Noel, which is your best tractor for cleaning snow now, the Ford?

Hehe, well, I will say they all have their pros and cons Eugen. Hehe. But the Case sure showed them today. All tractors were a giggling this morning when I went to take the Case out, for the first work out, they weren't a giggling when I put the Case back in.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:31 pm**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:17 pm
Eugen wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:55 pm So Noel, which is your best tractor for cleaning snow now, the Ford?
Hehe, well, I will say they all have their pros and cons Eugen. Hehe. But the Case sure showed them today. All tractors were a giggling this morning when I went to take the Case out, for the first work out, they weren't a giggling when I put the Case back in.

Noel

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:07 pm**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:25 pm I’d say running rich Dave , because of the black on my nice paint at the exhaust outlet. Hehe. So I need to adjust that. I run 10w-30 in all tractors summer and winter. Just much simpler that way. Some engines use oil under load and some don’t. She had quite a work out today. It has not run like that since I got it and old owners didn’t run it that much either, then it sat for a few years before I got it. I am going to add some transmission fluid to the gas and oil to help with the carbon, if there is any. What do you run for fuel. Regular or high test.

Noel

I've been running mid or high grade, No Ethenol in all my small engines for the last few years with good success. Seafoam too.

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:52 pm**

We ended up getting 15-18" of powder snow not the usual heavy wet snow (about 15°F while snowing). Down by the road I had 30"+ of snow drifts. On one side of my house, the high winds blew most of the snow away. I could see the lawn and I didn't have to shovel much snow at the top of my driveway. The other end of my house had 3-4' drifts. I took the tractor for a drive around the house to clear the drifts.

So how did the Berco do in the deep powder? Well it kicked ass. Very impressed. Despite only having 16HP, the Berco was very controllable in the deep powder. I could easily control the travel speed and keep the engine RPM's up. As soon as I started blowing, this gray thunderstorm like cloud blocked out the sun... it was airborne fine snow. The only issue I had with the Berco was I clogged the chute 3 times while blowing the drifts around my house. I think this is because I only had the throttle at 1/3 to 1/2 trying to keep the noise down (sleeping baby above where I was working). No clogging issues at WOT in my driveway.

I took a few pictures while I was blowing. Not sure why the bulk attachment shows up in reverse order.

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:28 pm**

@MattA I hope that when you are my age you will remember these Lily moments. Her concentrations and focus on riding tractor is precious. Those moments go by way to fast.

You go Lily, Your figuring out how to do it.

Spike

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:04 pm**

My God-daughter is my Lily, She and her husband bought their first home in a snow belt hours from us. As a house warming present I cleaned up a 9hp BCS tractor with and 18" snowblower and rototiller attachment.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/MhQgM9DxMBw [/youtube]
This was a txt video of her blowing their drive for the first time, 2021. I never thought about it until now, the BCS is older than Laura. I bought it at an rental closeout auction over 20 years ago.

Like the video, memories become fuzzy but the relationship with her is anything but.

Spike

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:13 pm**

That's great @MattA , Lily's help clearly makes you more efficient!

Glad the setup you have is working well!

Posted: **Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:16 pm**

Spike188 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:04 pm My God-daughter is my Lily, She and her husband bought their first home in a snow belt hours from us. As a house warming present I cleaned up a 9hp BCS tractor with and 18" snowblower and rototiller attachment.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/MhQgM9DxMBw [/youtube]
This was a txt video of her blowing their drive for the first time, 2021. I never thought about it until now, the BCS is older than Laura. I bought it at an rental closeout auction over 20 years ago.

Like the video, memories become fuzzy but the relationship with her is anything but.

Spike

True, memory gets fuzzy but the bond remains! That's a very thoughtful and helpful house warming present!

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:54 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:25 pm I’d say running rich Dave , because of the black on my nice paint at the exhaust outlet. Hehe. So I need to adjust that. I run 10w-30 in all tractors summer and winter. Just much simpler that way. Some engines use oil under load and some don’t. She had quite a work out today. It has not run like that since I got it and old owners didn’t run it that much either, then it sat for a few years before I got it. I am going to add some transmission fluid to the gas and oil to help with the carbon, if there is any. What do you run for fuel. Regular or high test.

Noel
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Rich=Carbon=pinging.
Almost all the old flat heads called for SAE. 30 summer / 10w30 below freezing .
I run regular with Seafoam 2 ounces per 5 gallon of gas year round . High test is a waist of money unless you a high compression engine , besides almost all high test has Ethanol in anyway . Flat heads are low compression engines which is part of the reason the tend to carbon up / incomplete burn .
Try Seafoam in regular fuel and switch to 10w40 diesel . I think you will be pleasantly surprised . I would do this before making any adjustments unless way off base settings . Tranny fluid in the oil will only thin it out and cause more burn off .

Dave

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:56 am**

Timj wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:07 pm
Propane57 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:25 pm I’d say running rich Dave , because of the black on my nice paint at the exhaust outlet. Hehe. So I need to adjust that. I run 10w-30 in all tractors summer and winter. Just much simpler that way. Some engines use oil under load and some don’t. She had quite a work out today. It has not run like that since I got it and old owners didn’t run it that much either, then it sat for a few years before I got it. I am going to add some transmission fluid to the gas and oil to help with the carbon, if there is any. What do you run for fuel. Regular or high test.

Noel
I've been running mid or high grade, No Ethenol in all my small engines for the last few years with good success. Seafoam too.

Can't get Ethanol free up here without going to marina or air port and pay stupid $$$

Dave

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 am**

I thought that high test fuel didn’t have any ethanol. ? But the price of regular fuel here is $1.49 per litre, and is 87 octane. So I’m guessing the high test would be about $1.58 per litre, and is 91 octane.

Noel

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:38 am**

Propane57 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 am I thought that high test fuel didn’t have any ethanol. ? But the price of regular fuel here is $1.49 per litre, and is 87 octane. So I’m guessing the high test would be about $1.58 per litre, and is 91 octane.

Noel

Unless the pump says on it Certified or Guarantied 100% Ethanol Free it will at any grade . Plus the stations are allowed to put in up to 10% Methyl Hydrate (more alcohol ) . Year back when I was still doing Drive Clean Repair , I did a weekend seminar on fuel additives ect. and there effects on the engine . Second day we were to bring in a sample of gas from local station and we did lab tests on them . There was anywhere from no alcohol present to 28% in one sample and that was "high octane " . After that I started running Sea Foam in regular gas year round and have never had carbon , pinging, or carb issues in anything I own since then and that was about 8 + years ago. Sea Foam although flammable is not as easy to light as gasoline helping to raise the octane rating . I have had costumers bring in the equipment telling me that it was't running right and now will not start anymore . I ask them what did you do , and they said put Sea Foam in it . Ok , how much ? The whole bottle they said . Well a little didn't help so kept putting more in they said . More is not always better .

Long story short the carb was gummed up from ethanol and there was so much Sea Foam in it the fuel wouldn't light . Cleaned carb , drain & refill fuel and educate customer on proper use and preventive use of Sea Foam . No more problems. Sorry to be long winded , only way I know how to educate people on this .

Dave

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:49 am**

Thanks Dave! But where can you getting seafoam cheaper!! Because it's not cheap. I put some seafoam in all my engines sometimes but not religiously.

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:53 am**

Ya, I sure don't like the $3.89/gal for high test but getting no ethanol for me is worth it. Right now that's $0.70/gal more than regular.

I know there has been a lot of discussion on if it makes a difference or not, and there's a lot of places people don't have a choice. Also, I believe that results vary by what additives are being used by the suppliers, where you live seems to matter.

My biggest improvement is storage time for the fuel. Getting things started has been greatly improved, especially things that don't get run often. The 2-strokes really like it.

I haven't played with using regular and adding Seafoam all the time. I have noticed that Ingy runs better when using Seafoam every few tanks, so I've been using it more often in everything.

Tim

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:54 am**

Seems that where ever you look there is always different answers. Any way, right on the air cleaner it says , do not use premium gasoline. So that answers that. So I thought I’d look at a few things. Took a spark plug out to see what it looked like. Was a light coating of black on it. Ok, checked the gap. It was right. No wear on the plug either. Then I thought, are they the right plugs. So started looking for plug information. So couldn’t find what I was looking for. So I’ll ask the experts. What spark plug is to be in this B43M Onan engine ? NGK in it now. BR8HS. Looks the same as a Champion H10C.
Checked the points setting and it was at 0.017 suppose to be 0.021, so I read. Would that advance the timing or retard it set at 0.017 ?

Noel

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:34 am**

Eugen wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:49 am Thanks Dave! But where can you getting seafoam cheaper!! Because it's not cheap. I put some seafoam in all my engines sometimes but not religiously.

Everybody from CTC, PA, Part Source to automotive part suppliers around here carry it . I watch for sales .
No it is not cheap , but think of it this way . 8 oz can will treat 20 gallons :canada:

/ 91 litres of fuel divide by $15 tax in $0.75 / gallon or $0.165 / litre . What is the difference between reg. and high test ? Around here it is about $0.25 per litre . Do the math . I also get better fuel millage using it all the time . It can be had cheaper in 1 gallon cans but not everyone caries it like that . Every time it goes on sale I stock up. I prefer the 8 oz can as they are easier to handle .
Personally I swear by it , but everyone needs to do what works for them .

Dave

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:35 am**

Noel, I don't think the NGK BR8HS is a good cross reference for the Champion H10C. It is a marine spark plug, and has a resistor too

I used the NGK B6L as a replacement, from Canadian Tire I got.

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:51 am**

Eugen wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:35 am Noel, I don't think the NGK BR8HS is a good cross reference for the Champion H10C. It is a marine spark plug, and has a resistor too

I used the NGK B6L as a replacement, from Canadian Tire I got.

Agreed it does not cross over might be close but not right .

Dave

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:06 pm**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:34 am
Everybody from CTC, PA, Part Source to automotive part suppliers around here carry it . I watch for sales .
No it is not cheap , but think of it this way . 8 oz can will treat 20 gallons / 91 litres of fuel divide by $15 tax in $0.75 / gallon or $0.165 / litre . What is the difference between reg. and high test ? Around here it is about $0.25 per litre . Do the math . I also get better fuel millage using it all the time . It can be had cheaper in 1 gallon cans but not everyone caries it like that . Every time it goes on sale I stock up. I prefer the 8 oz can as they are easier to handle .
Personally I swear by it , but everyone needs to do what works for them .

Dave

I got it last time from Napa when it was on sale. I never really thought it made such a difference, but I'll put a watch on it from now on to stock up again.

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:29 pm**

But according to the manual the H10C is the right plug for the Kohler K321, and is not the right plug for the Onan B43M. The right cross reference plugs for the Onan B43M are:

1. Champion RH18Y
2. NGK B-4L/3112

If you look at the specs of the B-4L, it has a 1 Kohm resistor, whereas the plug you have now has a 5 Kohm resistor. I'm not saying it'll solve your pinging, but you may as well get the right spark plugs, they're not expensive.

I mean, in theory the resistor should not affect the actual performance. But the heat range of the H10C is 10 and of the RH18Y is 18. This can actually make a difference, especially if there are other factors at play too.

For NGK the lower number is actually a hotter plug. So the H10C that you're running now, which is an equivalent of the NGK B-6L, is a colder plug than the B-4L is is what Onan recommends. How is that for confusing?

Posted: **Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:52 pm**

Yep, well I’m not a plug expert by any means. Hehe. But I guess what I meant was , that it just looked the same. I don’t know much about hotter or colder plug and resistors. On older cars it was knowen to put a hotter plug in engine if it drives around town most of the time and a cooler plug for highway use. And this would be 40 or more years ago. Today’s vehicles are not like that.
I’ll find a set of plugs some some day I’m out and put them in.

Noel

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:44 am**

Well, if your knowledge base on plugs is 40+ years old, you're just about on target for our machines...

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