Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Seabee wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:38 pm How do I upload pictures to the site? Got some pictures of the 4118 running.

Yesterday when we had it running there was a rattle seemed to be coming from the pump mechanism. Pump bracket wasn't on the rubber bumper. With it running you could put your finger between the pump bracket and the rubber bumper. When you pushed down on the bracket with it running the rattle went away. So today we had things apart to relax some of the hoses.

We got it back together and started it. The bracket and bumper are running where they are supposed be running, and when I speed it up a bit the rattle comes back, but not as loud as it did yesterday.

Any Ideas?

Thanks!

Bill

If any of the steel lines is near anything it can touch it when it vibrates.

Eugen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:21 pm

Seabee wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:38 pm How do I upload pictures to the site? Got some pictures of the 4118 running.

Yesterday when we had it running there was a rattle seemed to be coming from the pump mechanism. Pump bracket wasn't on the rubber bumper. With it running you could put your finger between the pump bracket and the rubber bumper. When you pushed down on the bracket with it running the rattle went away. So today we had things apart to relax some of the hoses.

We got it back together and started it. The bracket and bumper are running where they are supposed be running, and when I speed it up a bit the rattle comes back, but not as loud as it did yesterday.

Any Ideas?

Thanks!

Bill

If any of the steel lines is near anything it can touch it when it vibrates.

Eugen,

I appreciate your suggestion. I have been under that tractor looking at those lines and I would agree with you on that. Didn't see anything but it certainly would warrant another look.

The pictures on the bottom are the earlier pictures here. The top 2 pictures are with it running yesterday! Making some progress!

Bill

I also appreciate your listing "How to Post pictures" It is so small I can't read it. How do I get to the Options? I see that button right beside where you are going with it. I am trying to understand! I found it!

That's awesome progress Bill. I'm positive you'll find the source of the rattle. This is where a mechanic stethoscope would help!

Eugen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:17 pm That's awesome progress Bill. I'm positive you'll find the source of the rattle. This is where a mechanic stethoscope would help!

An old trick Wrap your fist around one end of a breaker bar, long screwdriver or whatever. Place your fist against your ear, and the other end against what you think is making the noise, move it around to find the loudest spot. Note, the tool does NOT touch your ear, only your fist does.

And with the steel lines, make sure nothing rubs against them. I found one steel line worn about half way through from a choke or throttle cable rubbing


Gordy

Since I am still pretending to have a real job, I haven't been after the 4118 much this past week. I did take a break from it enough to get the 4020 so my wife could use it again!

Early spring when I was tilling gardens I put the tiller on the 448, and the deck on the 4020. We noticed that the steering was getting a bit funky on the 4020, and told ourselves "we will take care of that when we get the 60" done and switch them out". Well the big deck is still where I took it last spring to be welded. Butch has a fulltime job as well as farming. Not a lot of time. So the other day when my wife was mowing it got to the point where it was real hard for her to steer, and occasionally the steering would jump a gear.

Time to address the steering on the 4020! I hate that sector gear steering. It is no wonder Ingersoll finally started using Power Steering. What took so long? Anyway, sore shoulder and all, I dropped the deck, laid on my LH sore shoulder, and using my right hand fixed the steering. Wow! What a difference! My wife is happy again! Actually, I probably shouldn't have been doing that stuff yet. Then to test it out, I took it out to mow to be sure it was working properly, and up and down the hill I went. 3/4 of an acre later I let my wife finish the last 1/2 acre. Don't tell her my shoulder is sore!

Oh well Tylenol and ice to the rescue!

Bill

PS

Lawn looks nice!

Happy wife, happy life Bill! keep on mowing, before the rains are coming.

We got a beautiful day today, maybe I'll do that too if only I can get a few spare minutes!

Back to the 4118:

When I took the motor out last winter I had a broken foot on the front (I believe RH side). Anyway with the help of Ray from St Louis, MI area, I had a good one for a very reasonable price. When I put the motor back in I decided to put rubber pucks under the front mounts like the earlier Case 200/400 tractors which had them under the frame, and the bolt up thru the pucks, and thru the frame and motor mounts. I couldn't put them under the back mounts because the bolts are welded into the frame.

The engine still sets level on top of the frame, but the front of the engine has the pucks below the frame, giving the engine the ability to flex some in case of uneven ground and such!

Any body ever done this on a 4000 series? And what are the chances that flex gives it the ability to vibrate more than if it was tied down tight on the frame? Just looking for ideas.

Thanks!

Bill

I think not having the engine rigidly connected to frame is pretty standard. Can't be good if the entire tractor vibrates with the engine.

All of my 3000/4000 machines have been rigidly connected to the frame. The back of the engine is held by bolts welded into the frame at the factory. And the front just had bolts through up thru the frame and Claw and tied fast. The parts books don't even show the pucks like the 200/400 series. When I found the claw broken that is why I decided to try that.

That is why I thought maybe the pucks allowed too much flex and that might be the cause of my rattle (the flexing)??

Bill