Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Looks like it’s been sitting for awhile. At least the engine components are easy to get to!

Everything is moving freely , Has some compression but no spark, Yet .

Cool!
That will be an interesting project to work on... Good that you have a photo of the "Guaranteed for all time" warranty plate

Ugh... Probably the Wico EK...
If you get spark, they seem to fire pretty easy...

RoamingGnome wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:53 am Cool!
That will be an interesting project to work on... Good that you have a photo of the "Guaranteed for all time" warranty plate

I wonder if I can get warranty .

I was curious and did some searching for Fuller and Johnson engines and WICO Magnetos...
https://fullerjohnsonengines.com/
https://oldcroak.com/ek-magneto-rx/
Have fun!
Wish I was closer to some of you so I could look over your shoulder while you are working on your projects....

RoamingGnome wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 5:23 pm I was curious and did some searching for Fuller and Johnson engines and WICO Magnetos...
https://fullerjohnsonengines.com/
https://oldcroak.com/ek-magneto-rx/
Have fun!
Wish I was closer to some of you so I could look over your shoulder while you are working on your projects....

Thanks for these . I have done some research , but these I haven't seen and now are booked marked .

All ready had the head off (sorry forgot pics) cut valve seats and valve faces . The valve guides have some wear but not to bad , the valve stems are worn bad and new valves are needed . They are available for for $50 each plus raping at the border . Fuel tank is off and soaking in varsol, then will be filled with evapo-rust before epoxy lined. The Cylinder looks good but will get honing later . As you see checking the valve and ignition timing . There is a roller that runs on the cam that the bushing is worn that will need to be addressed , but the fly wheel needs to come off to make that happen . That will come later after I know it will run and have a list of parts to get . Have evapo-rust in the water jug for a few days trying to get that cleaned up . The connecting rod bearing is worn and will get replaced later . Before and after replacing the insulation on the coils and condenser. After almost a 100 years it was crumbling . 2 layers of shrink tube . Cleaned the points and all connections . Replaced the the spark plug wire with new steel core wire . I have a new spark plug , The old one will become a compression gauge adaptor. I was told by the guy I got it off to leave it as is and not paint it .I will do that for now , But this is what I am thinking of doing with it for showing . [url]https://youtu.be/Srd0I-KQ76s/url] Something along those lines . Right now I have it on a wood cart with casters so I can move it around as it weighs a few hundred pounds .

Neat thing to do with it Dave.

Noel

I finished the magneto .. It has spark . Found a few things as per the videos and manuals I found .

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:55 pm I finished the magneto .. It has spark . Found a few things as per the videos and manuals I found .

That’s awesome! I’m betting you’ll have this thing running in short order. I watched that video you posted, I like it made me think of all kind of things you could power to display it.

A friend of mine just showed me a hit and miss he picked up. I should have taken a picture of it. I think that one was used as a flower pot by the previous owner. It locked up tight. I think he is going to try and use it for parts.

The gas tank looked pretty bad in side and had a big solder patch on the bottom of it . So I mounted it in the lathe on the slowest speed with a hand full of nut and evapo-rust and let it go for a while . Well after few minutes it started leaking out of many spots on the bottom . Sweatted away the solder on one end to see inside better . Not good . It is just soldered galvenized 22 gauge steel with some bungs soldered on , so time to make a new one . But wait I sold my bead roller decades ago when got out of building race cars . PA to the rescue . And it is on sale . Nothing like the beast I had back then ,but Now I have one . It will do , and is small for easy storage .

Well got my bead roller . It will do what I need to do for this tank and gives me the ability to make more dies to make other tanks and panels for GTs . By next week I should be starting the tank . I will do my best to take pictures . Working on this engine elbows deep in old greasy dirt and solvents makes it hard to record pics as I go along working alone . our grandson being a teenager is not interested in that rusty old thing . For now anyways . I can tell you that I have gone through all the cam and gears for the valve and magneto timing . Now just trying to get 228 degrees of total timing and then I can make sure the gears are inline as there is no marks, but they do give when the exhaust valve is to open and to close . The intake valve has just a light spring is basically just a one way check valve. Once I have that then I can set the magneto trip (snap) . The governor is just weight over spring that trips a lever to keep the exhaust valve open to keep rpm at 600 .

Setting the timing of the valve and ignition . Took a little trial by error and angle finding , but got them both . Now just need fuel source and it should run .

Got some headway on the fuel tank . end plate made .
now the cylinder body .

Is there anything you can't do Dave? Great skill here, watching and learning.

Eugen wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 3:18 am Is there anything you can't do Dave? Great skill here, watching and learning.

Thanks Eugen , I am not without my challenges . Reading mostly . Can't read a novel or most books . I can read words and sentences , but can't read a bunch of them and tell you what it means . But if you read it to me I understand most of it until it gets flowery or legal speak , again I get nothing . If it were not for spell check you would not understand what I write .My wife takes care of the all the important reading . My mom always said "my brains are in my hands" . I just don't know enough to know I can't do something , so I just do it until I figure it out . My mom just called me "just plain stubborn". That has been my life as long as I can remember . They say you learn more from your mistakes then from getting right the first time . That being said I should have a degree in fixoligy .
@Eugen Good to here from you , hope you all are well and things are starting to move forward .

got some more done to the tank. leaving tanks over night full of water , will check in morning . fingers crossed .

Dave is it Mig welded?

Spike188 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 5:48 pm Dave is it Mig welded?

Crimped and soldered just like the original

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:51 am

Eugen wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 3:18 am Is there anything you can't do Dave? Great skill here, watching and learning.

Thanks Eugen , I am not without my challenges . Reading mostly . Can't read a novel or most books . I can read words and sentences , but can't read a bunch of them and tell you what it means . But if you read it to me I understand most of it until it gets flowery or legal speak , again I get nothing . If it were not for spell check you would not understand what I write .My wife takes care of the all the important reading . My mom always said "my brains are in my hands" . I just don't know enough to know I can't do something , so I just do it until I figure it out . My mom just called me "just plain stubborn". That has been my life as long as I can remember . They say you learn more from your mistakes then from getting right the first time . That being said I should have a degree in fixoligy .
@Eugen Good to here from you , hope you all are well and things are starting to move forward .

You’re a gentleman with many talents David. I can relate where you’re coming from. I myself was never a great reader, but going through life opportunities pushed me to better myself in my deficient areas. Yes, spell check helps me a lot. I for one am envious of your skill set.
Harry

look what I found under the dirt and grime . It is behind the magneto .

Wow! Will you try and preserve it? Is it visible at all with the mag in place?

JSinMO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:42 pm Wow! Will you try and preserve it? Is it visible at all with the mag in place?

You don't see but a corner of it with Mag in place. I will take a couple of more pics , but no . The more I clean it the more comes off . I have new 3 link decals , but this is 4 link . So far I have only ever seen one pic of a four link decal . I am going to try to have them made from that .

With help from guys around the different internet forums , sharing pictures and knowledge I got enough pictures together to scan the colours with online programs ( https://imagecolorpicker.com/) is the one I used  and came up with a Hex colour . After more cross referencing of the colour I came up with a Pantone colour that our local PPG rep. (Carquest) could get mixed in single stage paint (urethane,  Delfleet Essentials ). Expensive ,but bullet proof . 
The casting had areas where the surface metal was peeling away (spalling) . That had to be ground off and repaired . After cleaning, sandblasting and grinding , I used JB Weld (pro size tubes ) as body filler to smooth things out . Not the easiest to sand ,but will take the heat and is bullet proof . All parts were coated in Phosphoric acid primer (rust killer) and same with the JB Weld for adhesion. These are all techniques you can use on any resto. project .

Question. Will JB Weld conduct electricity ?
In other words. If you had a small blob of hardened JB Weld, and you put your leads from your meter on it to test for continuity. Would the meter show continuity ?
I know this has nothing to do with this project, I was just wondering.

Noel

propane1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:32 am Question. Will JB Weld conduct electricity ?
In other words. If you had a small blob of hardened JB Weld, and you put your leads from your meter on it to test for continuity. Would the meter show continuity ?
I know this has nothing to do with this project, I was just wondering.

Noel

I do not know Noel . It is steel re-enforced epoxy so it is possible. I have a part of another engine with some on it. I will test it today and let you know .

Thanks Dave.


Noel

So I tested the conductivity of JB Weld . I can say with confidence that it is a better insulator than than a conductor . Ohm reading of infinite .

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:20 pm So I tested the conductivity of JB Weld . I can say with confidence that it is a better insulator than than a conductor . Ohm reading of infinite .

Thanks Dave. I was wondering, because I fixed a circuit board the other day by soldering. But wondered if there was some thing in a paste that has continuity, that could be pasted on. And harden plus have continuity, might be easier to fix loose solder joints on circuit boards.

Thanks

Noel

propane1 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 9:04 pm

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:20 pm So I tested the conductivity of JB Weld . I can say with confidence that it is a better insulator than than a conductor . Ohm reading of infinite .

Thanks Dave. I was wondering, because I fixed a circuit board the other day by soldering. But wondered if there was some thing in a paste that has continuity, that could be pasted on. And harden plus have continuity, might be easier to fix loose solder joints on circuit boards.

Thanks

Noel

https://www.chemtronics.com/circuitwork ... pens-paint

propane1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:32 am Question. Will JB Weld conduct electricity ?
In other words. If you had a small blob of hardened JB Weld, and you put your leads from your meter on it to test for continuity. Would the meter show continuity ?

Noel

it was my experience in the past that JB Weld was a good insulator - We used to repair broken electrical pigtails on pressure switches by using a dremel to grind the old epoxy inside the back of the switch, then solder new wire onto the connector and pack the end of the switch with JB Weld -

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 6:58 am

propane1 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 9:04 pm

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:20 pm So I tested the conductivity of JB Weld . I can say with confidence that it is a better insulator than than a conductor . Ohm reading of infinite .

Thanks Dave. I was wondering, because I fixed a circuit board the other day by soldering. But wondered if there was some thing in a paste that has continuity, that could be pasted on. And harden plus have continuity, might be easier to fix loose solder joints on circuit boards.

Thanks

Noel

https://www.chemtronics.com/circuitwork ... pens-paint

Well that’s neat Dave. Thanks. While I was looking at that web page I got thinking about the stuff we use to use to repair rear window defrosters.

Noel

got it all together now . Just have to make a starting crank handle .

I've seen an awful lot of engines started just by giving the fly wheel a good spin. If it would fire that way, that'd be my choice as using a crank always gives me the creeps thinking about that off chance that the crank sticks when it fires off.

Awesome looking restoration job @DavidBarkey

Toolslinger wrote: ↑Sun Apr 06, 2025 5:10 pm I've seen an awful lot of engines started just by giving the fly wheel a good spin. If it would fire that way, that'd be my choice as using a crank always gives me the creeps thinking about that off chance that the crank sticks when it fires off.

Good point , maybe adapt a large pulley for rope start for now . Other thought was to use a the governor to hold the exhaust open until wound up then trip it to let it start off the flywheel enercia .
Eventually it will be mounted on a frame so that it is self propelled and made to look like a mini Oil Pulled tractor . At that point there will be a starter generator hidden in the thing to start it off the drive . Right now I need to get it running and sort out all of that end of things .

David it looks terrific. Certainly a testament to your skill and creativity. Harry

We held the exhaust port open on our cement mixer during cranking. That took some cranking though since you had to move the flywheels, bull gear, and 1/3 yard drum.

I'm leaning hard toward selling it this year. My uncle doesn't want to, but since it lives in my barn, and the reality is neither one of us is ever going to do that much concrete work again, it really needs to go... Going to have to drag it out, and get it to fire off so it'll sell.

Toolslinger wrote: ↑Mon Apr 07, 2025 5:27 pm We held the exhaust port open on our cement mixer during cranking. That took some cranking though since you had to move the flywheels, bull gear, and 1/3 yard drum.

I'm leaning hard toward selling it this year. My uncle doesn't want to, but since it lives in my barn, and the reality is neither one of us is ever going to do that much concrete work again, it really needs to go... Going to have to drag it out, and get it to fire off so it'll sell.

If you drag it out , snap some pictures . it would be interesting to see .

Looks awesome Mr Dave!

I think the idea of setting up a pull rope start over a handle or just using the flywheel is a good one. Especially for the fiddling with fuel and spark timing that happens on first starting something. I’m picturing youngster pulling on it so you can make adjustments.

I went and looked at some photos of the old Rumely oil pull, I can see you making a replica for sure! That would be a cool project!