Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

I've been a member on other sites and always look forward to meeting others and sharing information. I'm retired and worked as a maintenance welder at GM plant. After retiring from GM I started teaching welding which lasted for five years at a local private school. I then through testing started doing weld inspections as a Certified Welding Inspector through the American Welding Society. So my background revolved around welding.
Today I work on projects in my shop which is mostly welding metal art but I have a passion for Case Ingersoll tractors. I currently own a 1973 444 which is a work in progress. A 1974 644 lbh which is all original. A 1976 446 which is equipped with a cab and snow caster. It is used only for winter snow removal only. A 1977 646 with loader and roto tiller. It's been a project for the last four years and it is almost completed.
I'm looking forward to sharing information and meeting new tractor enthusiast like myself.

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Harry

Thank you for joining us Harry, and welcome to the forum. I myself am on quite a few forums, never mind that I don't have that much time to be active everywhere. It's great to have someone on board with such welding experience! Will try not to bug you too much with welding questions.

Eugen, no problem on the welding questions. As a welding instructor I found it was the most satisfying jobs I ever had.

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Harry

Hi Harry,
Nice to see you here too. You'll have to share some of your metal art. What's your go to home welder/process?
I'm mainly a stick guy, 5-6 hundred pounds of rod a year. Little bit of wire. I'm amazed by tig, should go learn some new stuff someday.

Tim

Wow! That's a lot stick rod, you must do a lot of welding. It depends on what I'm working on dictates which process I use. I fabricated a trencher bucket last summer and I used stick. I welded bolts to a metal sculpture yesterday to hang it up and I used TIG. I have MIG solid wire and flux core set up on two different machines, but I find I do not use them much. I'll take some pics of some metal sculptures and post them.

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Harry

5-6 hundred pounds of rod a year?!? Tim, are you building a bridge over the Nile river? I'm thinking this can't be your hobby, must be work then.

Harry, it would be great to post some of your art, I for one really like that sort of thing.

With the two of you doing so much welding, I think we should create a welding topic somewhere on the forum? I'm sure others here do welding too.

What do you think Tim and Harry? (and everyone else reading this )

What would the welding area be for? Anything welding, questions, projects, or problems?

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Harry

Harry wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:23 am What would the welding area be for? Anything welding, questions, projects, or problems?

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Harry

I'm thinking that anything related to welding would go there. I'm sure there will be welding projects related to our Case tractors, but I would feel bad to restrict people who may want to discuss some other aspects of welding. I would like this forum to be clearly with the main focus on Case tractors, but to have a very pleasant experience for all people, and allow them to express any other things that make them happy. Especially if technical.

I think the only discussions that we want to be kept out of the forum are politics and religion,so we don't get into shouting matches.

But, I don't want anyone to feel pressured.

ÀH guy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:08 pm Hi Harry,
Nice to see you here too. You'll have to share some of your metal art. What's your go to home welder/process?
I'm mainly a stick guy, 5-6 hundred pounds of rod a year. Little bit of wire. I'm amazed by tig, should go learn some new stuff someday.

Tim

Tim,
If you took metal shop in high school, did they teach you to oxy acetylene weld? If so TIG is very similar, Electric heat source instead of gas, and the use of shielding gas are the main differences. There different gas's for different metals, and aluminum requires reversing polarity and the use of rounded tungsten rather than pointed tungsten used on other metals.

I went for an interview that said "Welders wanted" in the newspaper ad. During the interview I was asked about TIG welding, and had to tell him I have never done it. His chin hit his chest as he said "Tig is 50% of what we do here". I said that my understanding was TIG was a lot like oxy acetylene welding, He said you can do that with a glimmer of hope in his expression, to which I said yes can't everybody. He laughingly said Hell NO, lets go do some test welds.He gave me a few pointers on the first TIG weld, then left me alone for the other 6 welds. When he inspected the welds, he shock my hand and said hired What do you know High School was not a waist

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Gordy

I did have welding in a metal shop class in high school. It only covered stick and and oxy fuel. Didn't learn much about either for the lack of scrap metal available. After serving in the Army I attended Lincoln Electric's welding school and followed the year after at Hobart School of Welding Technology.
I learned a lot about welding and got a lot of practice in but didn't learn how to apply those processes until I started welding for a job.

Tig is similar to oxy fuel in the respect that you have a torch in one hand and a filler rod in the other. In oxy fuel you have to wait for the base metal to start melting before you can add filler and start to lay a bead down. In Tig you create the arc with the torch and immediately melt the base metal then add filer to create a bead.

Eye hand coordination is a key to becoming a good welder, but you also have to be able to view the molten puddle to know what is happening in there. Many students have problems with eye sight so they need either a corrective lens or sometimes a magnifier in their helmet.

I could go on and on but I think you get the idea.

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Harry

Hi guys,
Yes I burn that much rod at work welding well casing. That much would not be a hobby for me.

Eugen
A spot in shop talk might work too.
I'm good at what I do but a narrow skill set. Harry and Gordy are much more versed. Great guys, always looking to help.

Gordy,
Great story. Gas welding and brazing are skills that are being/will be lost.
I never learned to gas weld, was not done in shop class. We did brazing but I didn't get good at it, no patience when you're young. I should really have my father teach me before he can't. He's very good at both. I have not done it since school and why learn when Dad's there and likes to do it.

Our shop teacher wasn't a good welder. When I laughed at having to show I could strike an ark he said, well what can you do, so I set two pieces up and verticaled down one side and up the other. My showing off got me the task of teaching the rest of the class. My Dad had shown me alot and I read quite a bit, and a tech from the schools welding supplier showed me how to run the mig welder, so I guess I learned something in school too.
Been watching some tig on Youtube. I'm amazed and impressed.

Tim

I've always heard, "if you want to get good at anything, teach it to someone else." I welded for years taught apprentices on the job and also some part time teaching at a vocational school. All of this was done with older welding equipment. The school that I started teaching after retirement had all the latest invertor technology welding equipment. I had to read all the manuals and play with the parameters to understand how to dial in a great weld. When going from GMAW short arc and then to spray arc it was always a problem with the students changing the machines. It certainly was a learning curve.
It's been over ten years since I taught so it would be a while for me to dial one in. My welding machines are all older machines which all work fine for my applications.

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Harry