Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Spike188 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:36 am TDL, welcome aboard. If you are a new owner of this tractor, the type of oil could be part of the issue. They do not use hydraulic oil. 10-40 engine oil is used with most of us using Rotela or equivalent. I have an 4118 that a previous owner took apart and is on my bucket list for restoration. But first things are to finish restoration of a 646B, then a Colt 9, and possibly anther Colt in storage. before making time for the 4118.

Spike

Timj wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:02 pm @TLD89 welcome to the CCIGT forum, good to have you here.
Looks like you have some things going on. Tell us more.
The All Hydraulic tractors are kind of a different animal and don't interchange easily with the other tractors.

Most say they're spoiled by their power steering. I have never noticed mine to not be fast enough. I would start by checking to see if the spindles are turning free and not creating a ton of resistance. If they are free then I would start looking for a way to check the flow and pressures in the steering circuit.
Tim

ssmewing wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:02 am I have rebuilt quite a few of the power steering models. I have a guy that keeps buying them and then he has me fix them. When I get done they have to work perfectly and most importantly, no oil leaks. Try that for a challenge on these tractors.

I have now proven that all the 4 digit tractors have leaky low-pressure hoses. They leak through the inner rubber. But, unlike the high-pressure hoses, the low-pressure hoses just seep oil. It is easy to tell if it is leaking. If the hose is oily on the outside, it is a bad hose. That oil came from that hose and not from somewhere else.

It is a very challenging job to replace all the hoses on the PS tractors. Obviously, the engine, the pump removed from the engine and never the pump shaft, and the oil tank and all the return hoses. If it is a rubber hose it has to be replaced. Along the way, you have so many ways and places to screw it up and make it very expensive. So, you must be precise and live by the rule of if it is not exactly right it is 100% wrong.

By the time I am done parts and labor are usually about $2,000.

Welcome to the world of owning 30-year-old tractors that run on hydraulics.

Timj wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:14 am The 3118 would cycle your splitter a little faster, but if you don't use it much, it's kind of no advantage.
How many hours are on the 3118, did it come with an AHRM deck?

ssmewing wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:02 am I have rebuilt quite a few of the power steering models. I have a guy that keeps buying them and then he has me fix them. When I get done they have to work perfectly and most importantly, no oil leaks. Try that for a challenge on these tractors.

I have now proven that all the 4 digit tractors have leaky low-pressure hoses. They leak through the inner rubber. But, unlike the high-pressure hoses, the low-pressure hoses just seep oil. It is easy to tell if it is leaking. If the hose is oily on the outside, it is a bad hose. That oil came from that hose and not from somewhere else.

It is a very challenging job to replace all the hoses on the PS tractors. Obviously, the engine, the pump removed from the engine and never the pump shaft, and the oil tank and all the return hoses. If it is a rubber hose it has to be replaced. Along the way, you have so many ways and places to screw it up and make it very expensive. So, you must be precise and live by the rule of if it is not exactly right it is 100% wrong.

By the time I am done parts and labor are usually about $2,000.

Welcome to the world of owning 30-year-old tractors that run on hydraulics.

thebuildist wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:42 pm

ssmewing wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:02 am I have rebuilt quite a few of the power steering models. I have a guy that keeps buying them and then he has me fix them. When I get done they have to work perfectly and most importantly, no oil leaks. Try that for a challenge on these tractors.

I have now proven that all the 4 digit tractors have leaky low-pressure hoses. They leak through the inner rubber. But, unlike the high-pressure hoses, the low-pressure hoses just seep oil. It is easy to tell if it is leaking. If the hose is oily on the outside, it is a bad hose. That oil came from that hose and not from somewhere else.

It is a very challenging job to replace all the hoses on the PS tractors. Obviously, the engine, the pump removed from the engine and never the pump shaft, and the oil tank and all the return hoses. If it is a rubber hose it has to be replaced. Along the way, you have so many ways and places to screw it up and make it very expensive. So, you must be precise and live by the rule of if it is not exactly right it is 100% wrong.

By the time I am done parts and labor are usually about $2,000.

Welcome to the world of owning 30-year-old tractors that run on hydraulics.

I did all four PS hoses on my 4020PS through the front and rear tower access panels. TOTAL pain in the butt. Took about 3.5 hours, cost me... $125 or 150 for the hoses? My low pressure hoses are holding ok for now.

Bob

TLD89 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:55 am Great quote I will have to use it. Thanks for the info. Still thinking about what to do with the 3018/3118's. The 3118 has less hrs. on it and I do have log splitter (don't really use it), 4' tiller using the 4020 for them. Really like to somehow install an electric clutch on the 3118?

Terry

ssmewing wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:02 am I have rebuilt quite a few of the power steering models. I have a guy that keeps buying them and then he has me fix them. When I get done they have to work perfectly and most importantly, no oil leaks. Try that for a challenge on these tractors.

I have now proven that all the 4 digit tractors have leaky low-pressure hoses. They leak through the inner rubber. But, unlike the high-pressure hoses, the low-pressure hoses just seep oil. It is easy to tell if it is leaking. If the hose is oily on the outside, it is a bad hose. That oil came from that hose and not from somewhere else.

It is a very challenging job to replace all the hoses on the PS tractors. Obviously, the engine, the pump removed from the engine and never the pump shaft, and the oil tank and all the return hoses. If it is a rubber hose it has to be replaced. Along the way, you have so many ways and places to screw it up and make it very expensive. So, you must be precise and live by the rule of if it is not exactly right it is 100% wrong.

By the time I am done parts and labor are usually about $2,000.

Welcome to the world of owning 30-year-old tractors that run on hydraulics.

thebuildist wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:53 pm The hydraulic attachments are what aren't compatible between 3018's and 3118's, as the previous poster said.

But for belt-driven attachments, It seems to me that, so long as it has the same engine as a 3018, and it faces the same direction, and you have the physical space in front of the engine, that there's no reason you couldn't mount the standard electric PTO clutch that came with the 3018.

And if you wished, you could then run whatever belt-driven RH discharge deck or whatever 3018-compatible snowcaster on it.

I don't see an huge benefit to doing it, but I don't see why you couldn't.

Bob

Timj wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:31 am I don't have a *000 series to put side by side.
@TLD89 take some pics when you get time.

I looked at my cousin's 4018 the other day, but it is Briggs powered. There's nothing to the front of the motor except for the clutch. I didn't measure anything. (He just got it back from having the rear end welded, broken differential bolt. )