Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Loaded up, so the journey starts here. Poor little guy needs quite a bit of restoring action and tlc.

@DavidBarkey you were totally right, early 80s.

Eugen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:11 pm Loaded up, so the journey starts here


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Eugen , curious is there a year on the badge?

Dave

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:24 pm

Eugen , curious is there a year on the badge?

Dave

Look at the first post Dave, I added the picture. You were right!

It has the original Case battery!

The engine quite rusty. Not seized.

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:24 pm

Eugen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:11 pm Loaded up, so the journey starts here


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Eugen , curious is there a year on the badge?

Dave

I clicked on the badge picture above and put thumb and finger together on the touchpad of my PC, then move them apart to zoom in. Tag says 444 81.


Gordy

Gordy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:45 pm

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:24 pm

Eugen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:11 pm Loaded up, so the journey starts here


0DE37F89-7876-4F9B-B7DD-7191A4A974FB.jpeg

Eugen , curious is there a year on the badge?

Dave

I clicked on the badge picture above and put thumb and finger together on the touchpad of my PC, then move them apart to zoom in. Tag says 444 81.


Gordy

Tried the same thing but could not make anything out . I thought is was early 80's when I first saw the listing . Either your eyes or pc is better than mine ,lol I could not read it .

Dave

Looks like you have a winter project and complete tractor to work with

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:05 pm

Gordy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:45 pm

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:24 pm


Eugen , curious is there a year on the badge?

Dave

I clicked on the badge picture above and put thumb and finger together on the touchpad of my PC, then move them apart to zoom in. Tag says 444 81.


Gordy

Tried the same thing but could not make anything out . I thought is was early 80's when I first saw the listing . Either your eyes or pc is better than mine ,lol I could not read it .

Dave

Just to clarify. Did you try to zoom in on the small picture in the post? like that I can only make out the 1 of the 81. But if I click on the picture to get the bigger version then voom in the 81 is clear.


Gordy

Gordy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:03 pm

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:05 pm

Gordy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:45 pm

I clicked on the badge picture above and put thumb and finger together on the touchpad of my PC, then move them apart to zoom in. Tag says 444 81.


Gordy

Tried the same thing but could not make anything out . I thought is was early 80's when I first saw the listing . Either your eyes or pc is better than mine ,lol I could not read it .

Dave

Just to clarify. Did you try to zoom in on the small picture in the post? like that I can only make out the 1 of the 81. But if I click on the picture to get the bigger version then voom in the 81 is clear.


Gordy

No , just zoom in on small pic. . I just tried clicking on the pic. and then zoom in . I can see it now . Thanks

Dave

In firefox and possibly other browsers you can hold down the ctrl key and scroll the mouse to zoom in and out.

Put a good battery on and it cranks fine. The hydraulic and motor oil look alright but it'll get new fluids all around.

Carb is stuck in open position, needs overhaul. This little guy sat for many years. The rims got almost no paint left, surface rust has won the battle. Seat rusted through, and upholstery all ripped; unusable. On the plus side, the steering wheel is good.

Got no spark. Pulled the spark plug, no spark. More troubleshooting needed. I would not be surprised if the block is still STD.

Dave180 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:37 pm Looks like you have a winter project and complete tractor to work with

Keyword being "complete." I had asked for this specifically and it seems to be the case. The lady said her husband bought it for restoration, never ran. He got sick and passed couple of years ago. I will restore this tractor in his memory.

That gas was a bit old.




With points changed and new carb, and some fresh gas. Will it run?



https://vimeo.com/645546651

Sounds promising

Timj wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:28 am Sounds promising

I honestly didn't think it would run at all, bought it thinking I'll rebuild this engine. Now it starts and doesn't die. There's a little white smoke. Maybe I do a leak down test just for fun.

The hydraulic attachments lever seems stuck.

This is turning out to be a nice project.

A nice little project vs a train wreck would be a good thing. Maybe that thing did just sit around for years and with a little love will be a great find.

Eugen wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:56 am

Timj wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:28 am Sounds promising

I honestly didn't think it would run at all, bought it thinking I'll rebuild this engine. Now it starts and doesn't die. There's a little white smoke. Maybe I do a leak down test just for fun.

The hydraulic attachments lever seems stuck.

This is turning out to be a nice project.

What I have found in the past is the detente seizes up from sitting . If you can get on the little bolts that hold the springs and balls in place try and loosen off the bolts . Remove them and the springs spray some oil in the holes and rap a tape or some thing over the holes so when the balls break free you do no not loose them . Most likely you will only be able to get the bottom one out with out removing the valve assembly . That may be enough to get the thing moving for now . Then start working the lever back and forth until they loosen off . Hope that helps .
Dave

Make a list and check it twice . Then come shopping for missing stuff . Before the snow flies and it is buried .

Dave

Thanks Dave, I appreciate it! I do have a parts tractor. Not complete but if I'm missing stuff you'll year from me.

Well well, I am beyond amazed. After some more running there is absolutely no more smoke and the engine runs great.

https://vimeo.com/645739567

That 7116 did the same, smoked for about 5 minutes then the smoke stopped Ran 2 tanks of gas through it, did not use a drop of engine oil

One from Dads collection smoked bad. I had added some Seafoam to it, maybe he did too. Any way I read too much can make the engine smoke. So I drained the gas and put fresh in it, 2 minutes of running and the smoke was gone


Gordy

Wow Eugen, that engine is running very well - what a nice surprise! Good luck getting the rest sorted, but that's a great start so far.

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Tonight I was going through the batteries in the shop and came across the original Case battery of this 444. Hooking it up to the charger shows nothing so I figured it's dead. Was just about to throw it in the pile of dead batteries when I got the impulse to open the two caps on top and peek inside.



No acid. Hm..now I'm wondering if I should get some acid and fill it up. The thing is our local Canadian tire store has only packs of 5 gallons for the price of $50.

Unless the case is cracked or the battery was on its side or top, the acid is still in it. Just concentrated due to charging breaking the H2O apart. I simply add distilled water and put on a charger and let it bubble for a couple hours to remix the water and acid. In fact I just did this to one 2 weeks ago, it had a charge but was a little weak before, now it is much better


Gordy

Of course there are times the battery is just junk

Lead acid battery end of life happens when one of several things may occure.

A broken connection between plates and sulfication shorting, When a plate ages and cycles the lead slowly combines with the acid causing a lead sulfur crystal. These crystals can grow large enough to short the plates. Generally the crystals coat the lead plates blocking the ability of electron flow between the lead and acid. Also the ratio of 65% distilled water and 35% acid changes.

One myth that drives me nuts is concrete floors and batteries don't mix. Batteries and charging are temperature sensitive. Back in the days of unheated shops, batteries sitting on a cold floor absorbed the cold and would slow the charge process. Placing them on a bench or piece of wood slowed the chilling factor. Secondly unsealed batteries like the one @Eugen pictured have a leaching issue. During charging the water/acid mixture may boil over. When the solution boils over and coats the outer case it will leaves a conductive coating. This coating can cause a charging drain if it completes a circuit between post. This is extremely common on forklift batteries. Whashing the battery with a baking soda solution can reduce surface condition.

In short (pun intended) an old end of life battery needs every condition perfect to recover some charging function. The warmer the better, like setting it directly on a concrete floor with in floor heat.

Spike

Looking closely at the battery photo posted by @Eugen, plate sulfercation looks like it might have bridged across the plates. If this battery was is Haiti, the top would be cut off. The empty case would become a flower pot and the lead would become fishing weights.

Spike

Took the 150 cca background to Walmart and got a 300 cca battery for this tractor.

Last night I decided to see if I could get the lift spool unstuck. Not enough room to hammer it strongly. After about 20 minutes of frustration under there it got free by turning the spool while lightly hammering the end.

As I've tentatively decided to make this barn find 444 the main snow duty machine it was time to checking a couple of things more carefully.

First, an oil leak in the pump area. After cleaning up the area best I could with paper towels, turned on the engine and tried to find the leak, somewhat expecting a bad scenario. Well, I got lucky, the leak was due to a loose fitting. The leak was gone after tightening the fitting.


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Second: while throwing some snow I noticed oil on the side of the engine below the governor. on closer inspection the governor stop pin was out and oil was coming out that hole..



The threads on the screw were partly stripped and the copper washer missing.

Took it out to fix it and then added a copper washer. Forgot to add a little blue loctite but will do so if its loosens again.

One thing that had me a little worried was not knowing what happens inside the engine when pulling the governor stop pin out. I could've not find any pictures of the mechanism there. The manual does say this



Ahm... I really didn't want to take the engine apart. According to some folks on the internet if there pin isn't correctly installed you get a runaway engine. Put mineral back in and tested against some banks of snow. The governor kicked in just fine. This tractor is a beast!