Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

@DavidBarkey I didn't want to clutter up the for sale thread, but thanks for the welcome.

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:43 pm @dhitching Welcome aboard , It sounds like you are not new to the CCIGT addiction.

I just stumbled on this place this week, I've been on the FB forums and the CCI forum for a while, this showed up on a Google search I did looking for some solutions to a hydraulics question I had for my 6018 haha. This place seems like it's more active than CCI, but that's hard to tell.

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:43 pm What machines do you have ?

I have an early 6018 that I've been working through adding front hydraulics to, I have a 4020 with a 24hp Honda GX670, HH34, HP34 PTO, K10 weights, loaded tires, RM60, SB48, etc. then I have a 446 that needs carb work that I've been too lazy to fix, and I just picked up a 4120 with an AHRM60, not sure if I'll be keeping it and selling the 4020 or not...

This all started because I bought a house in 2020, decided I needed a "lawnmower" and picked up the 4020 for a steal haha. Here we are...

@dhitching Welcome to the COOL PEOPLE CCI site.

Or is it the FUN PEOPLE site? Maybe the SMART PEOPLE site?

I can never remember.

But on thise site, we're all in a SPECIAL CLASS, that's for sure!

You'll fit right in, I'm certain.



Bob

I claim no biases one way or another hahaha. One thing I have to say about this forum is that the red and yellow stand out a bit more on my screen at work than black does!

Welcome to the forum, I hope you enjoy it here. Many of us here are in the FB cci group and the other site. I'd say we're a good group of active Case tractor guys. We love technical discussions of any kind, especially related to our Case garden tractors, but we're not very uptight about talking only about Case tractors, the reality is that technical skills transfer across most tractors, or mechanical devices.

We're trying to make the site friendly to all, whether very new to wrenching and tractors, or very seasoned in one or both. We encourage people to share their experiences because it really helps us all and are learning from each other.

Like you started with that one tractor, most of us did they tend to multiply and attract attachments, to the bewilderment of our and friends.

dhitching wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:17 am

I claim no biases one way or another hahaha. One thing I have to say about this forum is that the red and yellow stand out a bit more on my screen at work than black does!

Not sure this is a good thing , but at the very beginning I put a lot of time into trying to get the "right" shades of Power red and Desert sunset to show on the screen similar to what the eye sees on the tractors. Still think I didn't quite get it right, but wanted to have a theme appropriate for the tractors we use.

@Harry thanks, I recognize you from CCI. I started an intro thread here to not clog the for sale post too much... I fear it may be a bit too late for that though

Welcome @dhitching - It IS a fun people site, friendly and knowledgeable folks who share their experiences freely ... I've learned lots since I've been here
Gerry

@dhitching welcome to CCIGT glad you found us. Hope you enjoy your time here and join in.
Tim

dhitching wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 am I have an early 6018 that I've been working through adding front hydraulics to, I have a 4020 with a 24hp Honda GX670, HH34, HP34 PTO, K10 weights, loaded tires, RM60, SB48, etc. then I have a 446 that needs carb work that I've been too lazy to fix, and I just picked up a 4120 with an AHRM60, not sure if I'll be keeping it and selling the 4020 or not...

This all started because I bought a house in 2020, decided I needed a "lawnmower" and picked up the 4020 for a steal haha. Here we are...

Welcome aboard! There is a great group of people here.

I hear you about tractors multiplying. I started with a 648 loader backhoe that I fell into and couldn’t say no. I found it to be such a handy machine when I had the chance to pick up a 446 with a blade, mower, and 3 point I didn’t hesitate!
Of course these Case GTs have started adding up after I already have a shop full of larger antique tractors! Finding a home for everyone is sometimes challenging.

dhitching wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 amI have an early 6018 that I've been working through adding front hydraulics to, I have a 4020 with a 24hp Honda GX670, HH34, HP34 PTO, K10 weights, loaded tires, RM60, SB48, etc. then I have a 446 that needs carb work that I've been too lazy to fix, and I just picked up a 4120 with an AHRM60, not sure if I'll be keeping it and selling the 4020 or not...

This all started because I bought a house in 2020, decided I needed a "lawnmower" and picked up the 4020 for a steal haha. Here we are...

That 4020 sounds like a beast with that GX670 engine. I'd keep the 4020 over the 4120. The 4100 series all hydraulic tractors can only transfer so much power through the hydraulic system. I'm not sure of the exact amount but it's less than your GX670. The 4120 also has no belt driven PTO to run your snowcaster. @Timj has one and could tell you more.

MattA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:42 pm That 4020 sounds like a beast with that GX670 engine. I'd keep the 4020 over the 4120. The 4100 series all hydraulic tractors can only transfer so much power through the hydraulic system. I'm not sure of the exact amount but it's less than your GX670. The 4120 also has no belt driven PTO to run your snowcaster.

Yeah I'm back and forth on it myself... The 4120 can do more work hydraulically than the 4020 can due to the larger pump, but can do less work than the 4020 can do with the belt drive. So it would be better with my K32 splitter, my HT41 tiller, and anything else I decide to rig up hydraulically. But worse with the SB48 and the RM60. It also has a much larger hydraulic cooler, hydraulic temps are something my 4020 struggles with... And it's so clean! Less than 400 hours on it. We'll see, I think I'm leaning towards passing it on to the next owner, but if I do I'll be sad to see it go.

Welcome aboard @dhitching . Your story of getting the Case, Colt, Ingersoll infection is much like mine. I was in a jam, needing to replace a very wore out Massey 2016H. I found a 444 with snow thrower a few miles from me. After getting it home and researching Case Gt's he sold me his fully loaded 448. Now, more than a few CCI Gt's own me. Thanks to you and @MattA for the comments on the AH tractors. There are two here, one for parts, and one to recondition. The AH
models are know for having mower deck motor failure. That is something for me to take into consideration in the coming year.

dhitching wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:50 am

MattA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:42 pm That 4020 sounds like a beast with that GX670 engine. I'd keep the 4020 over the 4120. The 4100 series all hydraulic tractors can only transfer so much power through the hydraulic system. I'm not sure of the exact amount but it's less than your GX670. The 4120 also has no belt driven PTO to run your snowcaster.

Yeah I'm back and forth on it myself... The 4120 can do more work hydraulically than the 4020 can due to the larger pump, but can do less work than the 4020 can do with the belt drive. So it would be better with my K32 splitter, my HT41 tiller, and anything else I decide to rig up hydraulically. But worse with the SB48 and the RM60. It also has a much larger hydraulic cooler, hydraulic temps are something my 4020 struggles with... And it's so clean! Less than 400 hours on it. We'll see, I think I'm leaning towards passing it on to the next owner, but if I do I'll be sad to see it go.

The old forum has some warnings about using non all hydraulic tractor hydraulic attachments with the all hydraulic tractors. Basically the higher flow rate turns the attachments faster. AH tractors also have a higher hydraulic relief pressure.

Where are you located?

Spike188 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:02 am Welcome aboard @dhitching . Your story of getting the Case, Colt, Ingersoll infection is much like mine. I was in a jam, needing to replace a very wore out Massey 2016H. I found a 444 with snow thrower a few miles from me. After getting it home and researching Case Gt's he sold me his fully loaded 448. Now, more than a few CCI Gt's own me.
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Thanks to you and @MattA for the comments on the AH tractors. There are two here, one for parts, and one to recondition. The AH
models are know for having mower deck motor failure. That is something for me to take into consideration in the coming year.

The AH tractors would run your hydraulic snowblower better with the higher flow rate

Matt, now I have to find a three point or covert it back to front mount.

Spike188 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:53 pm Matt, now I have to find a three point or covert it back to front mount.

I've got pictures of a hydraulic snowcaster mounted to an ingersoll loader instead of the usual bucket... just in case you come home to 6' of snow

@MattA I saw the 646 also. I would probably add a case drain motor and a lower pressure relief valve at the motor.

Just off the top of my head we have at least eight members here with an AH tractor. All things considered, that's a fair number.

MattA wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:46 pm
The old forum has some warnings about using non all hydraulic tractor hydraulic attachments with the all hydraulic tractors. Basically the higher flow rate turns the attachments faster. AH tractors also have a higher hydraulic relief pressure.

Definitely. You can overspeed things like the wood chipper, rear finish mower, bagger, or brush hog if you don't use an AH variant. Pretty much anything that already spins at "high" RPM. The tillers spin slow enough where that's not an issue. Log splitter obviously wouldn't care hahaha. However, if you have an appropriately sized implement, the higher flow pump and higher pressure relief mean you can deliver ~58% more HP than a standard 4XXX tractor can hydraulically! That is a big difference.

MattA wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:46 pm Where are you located?

I'm located in South East Michigan

MattA wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:59 pm I've got pictures of a hydraulic snowcaster mounted to an ingersoll loader instead of the usual bucket... just in case you come home to 6' of snow

I have intentions to get my Bercomac 2 stage hooked up to a quick attach plate

Spike188 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:02 am The AH models are know for having mower deck motor failure.

Yeah, parts sourcing for if the motor fails is also a concern...