Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

turboff wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:26 pm Hey all,
I am now an owner of a new to me 444. According to the serial number it is from 1972.
I bought it at a trailer center where the machine was traded in by the original owner...it is in great shape! I am going to add an hour meter and voltmeter and maybe a steering wheel knob for now. It came with a 60" deck and 54" dozer blade, along with a hilariously small little trailer! Going to use it to clear snow and mow my 1.5 acre property. Just ordered some 8-16 tire chains (couldn't find any locally...) and hopefully that will give me the traction I need to move some snow around...my property has a very slight grade, so I am going to look for a holding valve.

I have a few questions:
-Do the factory turf tires have tubes in them? I am wondering if I will have to order tubes to add some ballast weight...Does running with ballast inside the tires tear up the lawn in the spring? because if it does I may just add some weights on the rear hitch instead.

-The 60" deck says "J..something" in the model number tag...Will this work on the 444? I know later years have the engines flipped around which can cause issues with using the deck. I'll also need to source a belt for the pulley.

-Even with the brake on I can push the tractor...is there a way to adjust the brake so that it actually acts as a parking brake?

With the factory turf tires it could barely get up my slushy driveway..Hoping the chains will help with that. Of course we're supposed to be getting major snow today into tomorrow so I will probably have to shovel the driveway by hand..again

Many thanks!

Eugen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:50 pm

turboff wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:26 pm Hey all,
I am now an owner of a new to me 444. According to the serial number it is from 1972.
I bought it at a trailer center where the machine was traded in by the original owner...it is in great shape! I am going to add an hour meter and voltmeter and maybe a steering wheel knob for now. It came with a 60" deck and 54" dozer blade, along with a hilariously small little trailer! Going to use it to clear snow and mow my 1.5 acre property. Just ordered some 8-16 tire chains (couldn't find any locally...) and hopefully that will give me the traction I need to move some snow around...my property has a very slight grade, so I am going to look for a holding valve.

I have a few questions:
-Do the factory turf tires have tubes in them? I am wondering if I will have to order tubes to add some ballast weight...Does running with ballast inside the tires tear up the lawn in the spring? because if it does I may just add some weights on the rear hitch instead.

-The 60" deck says "J..something" in the model number tag...Will this work on the 444? I know later years have the engines flipped around which can cause issues with using the deck. I'll also need to source a belt for the pulley.

-Even with the brake on I can push the tractor...is there a way to adjust the brake so that it actually acts as a parking brake?

With the factory turf tires it could barely get up my slushy driveway..Hoping the chains will help with that. Of course we're supposed to be getting major snow today into tomorrow so I will probably have to shovel the driveway by hand..again

Many thanks!

First of all, big welcome to our little forum here! Congratulations on your 444! Me personally like the 444's the best We have a pretty good contingent of folks here from Southern Ontario, but also from further South and other parts of Canada. I am not fully skilled to answer all your questions but we have very experienced members in all Case GT related matters and I'm sure they'll chip in.

As far as I know the factory tires do not have tubes in them. Some people do put tubes in them on account of the tires being cracked, and/or filling them up with fluid to add weight for traction. But there are people here who add various fluids as ballast in the rear tires even without tubes. I don't think the weight added just inside the tire would ruin your turf, unless it's so soft that you'll make ruts without ballast too.

For snow related duties you will need both the chains and wheel weight. I have combine steel weights, 162 lbs per wheel, and chains = good traction.

I am pretty sure your J series deck fits your tractor. We have a really big manuals section which you can explore too
https://manuals.ccigt.com

We also like seeing pictures of tractors hint hint nudge nudge

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:12 pm @turboff Welcome aboard the site . Where in Southern Ontario are you at ?
Traction is achieved like Eugen said with weight and chains . Also the correct air pressure is important . These big rear tires don't need much . Too much and the contact patch is reduced . The average 400 series tractor only need about 6 -8 psi in the rears . Chains are a must in winter . When installing the chains jack up rear end , deflate tires , install chains as tight as possible then reinflate to about 6 psi . Any slack and it could catch the fender . As for weight there are many ways to go about it and how much you weigh determines how much you need . Me I am a small guy so need all the help I can get . Wheel weights will be the simplest to start as they bolt on . I made my own .viewtopic.php?f=18&t=370 Tubes are only needed when tires leak air or special tubes for calcium which I have in Frankie , but they are not cheap . Windshield washer fluid , or plumbers / RV antifreeze , or rim guard (beet juice) can be added to tires without special tubes. Weight box bolted to the back filled with anything heavy can also be done .

turboff wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:27 pm

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:12 pm @turboff Welcome aboard the site . Where in Southern Ontario are you at ?
Traction is achieved like Eugen said with weight and chains . Also the correct air pressure is important . These big rear tires don't need much . Too much and the contact patch is reduced . The average 400 series tractor only need about 6 -8 psi in the rears . Chains are a must in winter . When installing the chains jack up rear end , deflate tires , install chains as tight as possible then reinflate to about 6 psi . Any slack and it could catch the fender . As for weight there are many ways to go about it and how much you weigh determines how much you need . Me I am a small guy so need all the help I can get . Wheel weights will be the simplest to start as they bolt on . I made my own .viewtopic.php?f=18&t=370 Tubes are only needed when tires leak air or special tubes for calcium which I have in Frankie , but they are not cheap . Windshield washer fluid , or plumbers / RV antifreeze , or rim guard (beet juice) can be added to tires without special tubes. Weight box bolted to the back filled with anything heavy can also be done .

Thanks Dave, I am in dufferin county. The guy at the trailer place put 10 psi in but I figured that would be too much! there was no PSI rating on the sidewalls I could find...how about the fronts?
I don't want to buy tubes if I don't have to but I keep reading that the wheels will rust out if you don't use tubes before filling with ballast (I was going to do windshield washer fluid since it gets nice and cold here!)

I weigh about 200 lbs give or take depending on the season lol. I have been doing all kinds of reading on homemade ballast. I just figured that wheel weight or liquid would be best as it would keep the weight/load closer to the axle and be kinder on parts. Do you keep your juice in the tires even in the warmer months when you maybe mow or do other tasks?

turboff wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:24 pm

Eugen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:50 pm

turboff wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:26 pm Hey all,
I am now an owner of a new to me 444. According to the serial number it is from 1972.
I bought it at a trailer center where the machine was traded in by the original owner...it is in great shape! I am going to add an hour meter and voltmeter and maybe a steering wheel knob for now. It came with a 60" deck and 54" dozer blade, along with a hilariously small little trailer! Going to use it to clear snow and mow my 1.5 acre property. Just ordered some 8-16 tire chains (couldn't find any locally...) and hopefully that will give me the traction I need to move some snow around...my property has a very slight grade, so I am going to look for a holding valve.

I have a few questions:
-Do the factory turf tires have tubes in them? I am wondering if I will have to order tubes to add some ballast weight...Does running with ballast inside the tires tear up the lawn in the spring? because if it does I may just add some weights on the rear hitch instead.

-The 60" deck says "J..something" in the model number tag...Will this work on the 444? I know later years have the engines flipped around which can cause issues with using the deck. I'll also need to source a belt for the pulley.

-Even with the brake on I can push the tractor...is there a way to adjust the brake so that it actually acts as a parking brake?

With the factory turf tires it could barely get up my slushy driveway..Hoping the chains will help with that. Of course we're supposed to be getting major snow today into tomorrow so I will probably have to shovel the driveway by hand..again

Many thanks!

First of all, big welcome to our little forum here! Congratulations on your 444! Me personally like the 444's the best We have a pretty good contingent of folks here from Southern Ontario, but also from further South and other parts of Canada. I am not fully skilled to answer all your questions but we have very experienced members in all Case GT related matters and I'm sure they'll chip in.

As far as I know the factory tires do not have tubes in them. Some people do put tubes in them on account of the tires being cracked, and/or filling them up with fluid to add weight for traction. But there are people here who add various fluids as ballast in the rear tires even without tubes. I don't think the weight added just inside the tire would ruin your turf, unless it's so soft that you'll make ruts without ballast too.

For snow related duties you will need both the chains and wheel weight. I have combine steel weights, 162 lbs per wheel, and chains = good traction.

I am pretty sure your J series deck fits your tractor. We have a really big manuals section which you can explore too
https://manuals.ccigt.com

We also like seeing pictures of tractors hint hint nudge nudge

Hi Eugen, thank you for the welcome and thank you for the information!
Trying to find steel weights for the wheels seems pretty difficult. I have been following this board from before I bought my tractor to read get some leads on stuff. What combine are you weights off of? I am assuming there is a specific bolt pattern needed to fit our wheels? The 444 manual is so dark in some spots I can barely see what the picture is pointing to! lol
Only info I can find about that deck on a 444 is that it may be a bit big for the tractors power level...lol. I will do some more digging

myerslawnandgarden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 7:49 pm

turboff wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:24 pm

Eugen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:50 pm

First of all, big welcome to our little forum here! Congratulations on your 444! Me personally like the 444's the best We have a pretty good contingent of folks here from Southern Ontario, but also from further South and other parts of Canada. I am not fully skilled to answer all your questions but we have very experienced members in all Case GT related matters and I'm sure they'll chip in.

As far as I know the factory tires do not have tubes in them. Some people do put tubes in them on account of the tires being cracked, and/or filling them up with fluid to add weight for traction. But there are people here who add various fluids as ballast in the rear tires even without tubes. I don't think the weight added just inside the tire would ruin your turf, unless it's so soft that you'll make ruts without ballast too.

For snow related duties you will need both the chains and wheel weight. I have combine steel weights, 162 lbs per wheel, and chains = good traction.

I am pretty sure your J series deck fits your tractor. We have a really big manuals section which you can explore too
https://manuals.ccigt.com

We also like seeing pictures of tractors hint hint nudge nudge

Hi Eugen, thank you for the welcome and thank you for the information!
Trying to find steel weights for the wheels seems pretty difficult. I have been following this board from before I bought my tractor to read get some leads on stuff. What combine are you weights off of? I am assuming there is a specific bolt pattern needed to fit our wheels? The 444 manual is so dark in some spots I can barely see what the picture is pointing to! lol
Only info I can find about that deck on a 444 is that it may be a bit big for the tractors power level...lol. I will do some more digging

Hello turboff,

I think that your 444 will be fine with the deck that you have, it can't be a 60" deck with a model # starting J4..., more likely a 44 or 48" width. Also, if the previous owner used it on that tractor, a 60" deck would not have been able to be mounted on a 1972 as that was a short wheelbase model.

A couple of pics of your deck would be and I can confirm the size.

Hope this helps,

Bob

turboff wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:19 pm Thank you all for your kind advice and replies!
I'm assuming that little hitch I have is what is considered a sleeve hitch?
The trailer may indeed be a Case one... Its laughably small and has no back to it.... I do want to get a larger one from princess auto or something to haul firewood.

I ideally want the 60" deck to work. I used to own a lawncare business and used to cut with a 42" Walker... I know all about time blades (annoying lol)... I initially was thinking the 14hp would be underpowered for such a big deck but we'll see. I'm hoping its got enough bawls... It would get the yard done a decent amount quicker!!!

I do indeed have the brackets to attach the mower deck to the tractor. I'm so excited to use this thing... I also want to put an with a little stack and flapper lol...

JSinMO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:23 pm @turboff That trailer is a nice find. I attended an auction last year where I bought my 446. They had two Case trailers. One the size of your and one a little bigger. They sold for more than any other attachment there.
Yours might be small, but it is almost certainly better constructed that any metal yard trailer you will find at the usual suspects.

myerslawnandgarden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:31 pm

turboff wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:19 pm Thank you all for your kind advice and replies!
I'm assuming that little hitch I have is what is considered a sleeve hitch?
The trailer may indeed be a Case one... Its laughably small and has no back to it.... I do want to get a larger one from princess auto or something to haul firewood.

I ideally want the 60" deck to work. I used to own a lawncare business and used to cut with a 42" Walker... I know all about time blades (annoying lol)... I initially was thinking the 14hp would be underpowered for such a big deck but we'll see. I'm hoping its got enough bawls... It would get the yard done a decent amount quicker!!!

I do indeed have the brackets to attach the mower deck to the tractor. I'm so excited to use this thing... I also want to put an with a little stack and flapper lol...

After posting, I remembered the J48 designation for the early 60" deck, but didn't think it was a possibility as it would not mount to a short wheelbase 444. Previous owner must have never mounted it. The 60 " decks were introduced in 1980, the same year as the 448 and all of the other long wheelbase tractors. It will not mount to the 1972 444.

Bob

Eugen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:40 pm Your trailer is missing the back, normally there is one. I have that trailer too, and a slightly bigger princess auto tipe trailer. The Case trailer can carry a lot more weight though. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy yourself something else, you should get what you need.

The rear door is really useful though. Pity yours is missing. Maybe you can have one made from 1/8 steel plate.

Eugen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:14 pm I'll take a picture of it and show you. It doesn't hinge. It slides into the side triangle slots from above.

Found a good pic on the net

turboff wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:38 pm
That's neat! I'll try to fabricate something!

turboff wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:55 pm Thanks for all the advice guys.

I'm going to see about a 48" deck and sell to
This 60" one then... Bummer

Also wouldn't mind scoring a log splitter but they seem rare as a hens tooth!!

turboff wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:27 pm Thanks guys, so based on the chart this is a 1971, not a 1972 (serial # 9652401)
I just took some pics of the underneath of this deck I have. frickin mint! doubt it was ever used by this guy. The trailer place did say that the guy who traded it in they call the "doctor" because he is rich and barely uses his stuff. Apparently he never mowed with the machine so that makes sense why the 60 was probably never even mounted to it.

turboff wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:46 pm Bottom of the deck...

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 8:07 pm @turboff It has been been used then taken apart and at very least repainted , possibly rebuilt .