Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:10 pm**

Going to be doing some work on the hydraulics on my 448, as my schedule will allow. It needs the mid-lift hoses replaced so a good time to also do the selector valve.
So this couldn't have came along at a better time

Nos holding valve with good hard lines from a big time fellow Case nut.

Now I can hopefully get everything done on one oil dump. Unless I decide to find a rear hydraulic PTO.

Posted: **Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:32 pm**

NOS holding valve? You must have friends in high places Tim.

good score! You know you'll find the rear PTO just as you fill up with fresh oil.

Murphy's law I'm with you on not liking oil flushes more than strictly necessary.

Posted: **Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:36 am**

Eugen wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:32 pm NOS holding valve? You must have friends in high places Tim. good score! You know you'll find the rear PTO just as you fill up with fresh oil. Murphy's law I'm with you on not liking oil flushes more than strictly necessary.

He had posted he had a few he was looking to sell. I wasted no time expressing interest if he had one for a 448. He did and I was first one on the list. First time I actually met Mike, great guy.
He has a nice collection of " Black Frames".

Posted: **Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:02 am**

Not sure who Mike is... but that's quite the tractor collection. Do you have any more pictures?

Posted: **Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:59 am**

MattA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:02 am Not sure who Mike is... but that's quite the tractor collection. Do you have any more pictures?

Matt, Mike Stertz, you may remember him as Mjoe7 from CCI. He has every model of Black Frame. I don't have any other pics, I had to go digging back to find this one from a couple of years ago at Garden Tractor Daze when he had all of them there. We talked about what a undertaking it was to get them all there.

Oh, I forgot about his "White Knight".

Posted: **Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:59 pm**

Well I'm finally getting to this project. Why now you ask? Well because I'm deranged and like working on things in the cold. Actually this past summer got extremely busy so no time and I took my 4118 up to the cabin to deal with the hay up there. This left the 448 needed for mowing, so here we are. Supposed to be mild this week and with getting dark early so I've been getting home earlier it's time to get this done.
Made some room in the shed and got the tractor washed up tonight. Progress pics to follow.

Posted: **Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:25 pm**

Got a little done. :creeper:

Got the oil drained and hoses off last night.
Tonight I got the holding valve mostly done. I need to get one elbow to finish up, the manual doesn't show needing one, but...

this elbow would not clear the frame to remove it

Saw-zall took care of it

Took a little time to mock up the selector valve

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:06 am**

Went out to work on it for about an hour last night, it had been a long day and I really didn't want to get out of my chair after supper. But it was the last of our warm week, almost 70 yesterday, now back to 40s and colder next week.

I had picked up a hose and an elbow and figured I would get it finished up.
For the N9 install it shows the #7 line hooks directly to the TCV but it was impossible. Mike had said I would need to get an elbow but I couldn't see where it was needed. Put a #10jic el in and it lines right up.

Tighten all the fittings up, eezy peezy.

Put the hose i had made up on the mid lift cylinder, the one I had made up when I had done the 4118 was a little short for this selector install.
Made and painted a little bracket for mounting the selector valve. Everything going smoothly, let's keep at it.

You all know where this is going don't you, right, there must always be an issue.

Reading ahead to the startup and air bleeding procedure and says to loosen the #9 plugs on the ends of the valve body. Let's quick do that.

Here we go.

grab a handy 15" crescent wrench, nope not the right tool. Go up to the shop and get an 1 3/8" combination wrench, nope, not enough. Jack the tractor up higher to get more room and a better position, no way, not going to budge.

Back to the shop, get 3/4" drive ratchet and socket.

lean into the outside port, block all the wheels, lean into it again and it comes.

Go to the inside, can't get socket on, line in the way.

loosen up all the fittings and remove the line. Back to the shop and get a 1 1/2" wrench to hold the valve. Build stack of cribbing to support wrench, lean into it.

I win.
Wish I had loosened these when I could have put it in a vice.

but really glad I hadn't filled with oil yet.

Everything tighten back up, ready to mount selector valve and fill with oil, 2 1/2 hours later.

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:16 am**

Reading your wrenching Tim, brings a mix of emotions because something of this sort is waiting for me to do. Looks like you're out of the woods though.

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:30 am**

Eugen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:16 am Reading your wrenching Tim, brings a mix of emotions because something of this sort is waiting for me to do. Looks like you're out of the woods though.

It's one of those "knowing what I know now" things. Next time will be a snap.

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:20 am**

Man, she shore is PRETTY.

I've apparently been delinquent on several occasions, I've never bled mine before filling and running. And I've had it drained like 4 times.

I wonder if you removed the plug wire(s) and just cranked the starter through with the travel lever fully engaged... That seems like it would work the oil through pretty well.

But I've never even done that. Bad me.

Bob

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:24 pm**

thebuildist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:20 am Man, she shore is PRETTY.

I've apparently been delinquent on several occasions, I've never bled mine before filling and running. And I've had it drained like 4 times.

I wonder if you removed the plug wire(s) and just cranked the starter through with the travel lever fully engaged... That seems like it would work the oil through pretty well.

But I've never even done that. Bad me.

Bob

The cranking the starter method was the recommended procedure for the power steering system and was all did with the multiple drainings of the 4118.
I would have thought that holding valve would just take care of itself but I seem to remember running into some threads of issues with it trapping air. I don't remember for sure cause it wasn't what I was thinking about at the time. So I'm just going to try to follow the manual and hope for no more issues. And to not meet the gorilla that tightened them plugs in.

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:48 pm**

I recall reading on the old forum that the TCV was self bleeding. I tried bleeding it once to fix the fumpy travel control bit it didn't help (new linkage fixed the problem).

I used the crank the starter method to push the air out of my hydravac case drain line and then the hydravac. Worked well but the tractor fired up after a few seconds.

How does the new holding valve work?

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:16 pm**

MattA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:48 pm I recall reading on the old forum that the TCV was self bleeding. I tried bleeding it once to fix the fumpy travel control bit it didn't help (new linkage fixed the problem).

I used the crank the starter method to push the air out of my hydravac case drain line and then the hydravac. Worked well but the tractor fired up after a few seconds.

How does the new holding valve work?

The TCV will bleed itself, the procedure mentioned is for the external holding valve.

Bob

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:32 pm**

myerslawnandgarden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:16 pm
MattA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:48 pm I recall reading on the old forum that the TCV was self bleeding. I tried bleeding it once to fix the fumpy travel control bit it didn't help (new linkage fixed the problem).

I used the crank the starter method to push the air out of my hydravac case drain line and then the hydravac. Worked well but the tractor fired up after a few seconds.

How does the new holding valve work?

The TCV will bleed itself, the procedure mentioned is for the external holding valve.

Bob

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:34 pm**

Got the selector valve mounted this afternoon and hooked up.

Filled the system with 5w40 Rotella T6. Did the purge process. Put the wheel back on and took her for a spin. :446cart:

@MattA it works as it should, feels just like the Ingersoll, no more free wheeling.

After supper got the engine oil changed, put some new headlight bulbs in, put the lift plate on the rockshaft so she's ready incase I need to get the blade on. A little closer to being ready for snow. Hoping to find some wheel weights and a snow caster for it yet this fall.

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:29 pm**

That’s great Tim! Might be late in the season to get a snowcaster, unless you find one already restored. Chains could be useful too.

Posted: **Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:22 am**

Eugen wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:29 pm That’s great Tim! Might be late in the season to get a snowcaster, unless you find one already restored. Chains could be useful too.

I have a set of v-bar chains for it and a few options for weights.
Finding a blower has been one of them "just because you're looking" there are none for sale, which is odd for here. I should have chased a 446-76 with blower and mower for $700 not far from me a week ago but was too busy. There's a few guys around here with a lot of Case stuff I can check with too. There's also been a few Berco's for sale but I don't think I have the time to get a mule conversion done.

Posted: **Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:22 pm**

Tim,

I have several 48" snowcasters that would work on your 448, located in northern IL as you probably know.

Bob

Posted: **Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:22 pm**

I'll just continue with this here.
Got a little more ready for winter this weekend, sticking with my theme of waiting past the last minute.

actually mixed in-between a bunch of other things it was a good Case weekend. Shed rearranged and deck and sweeper put to bed for winter. Chains fixed and blade put on 448.
Woke up Sunday to about 2.5" of sloppy snow. Picked up a snow caster locally that popped up.

Not pretty but mechanically sound, PO had set up for a backup but is starting to sell off his collection. I just need to fab a lift bar and chute crank.

Also came home with a new cutting edge for a 54" blade for $20..

Posted: **Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:29 pm**

Nice catch @Timj

Posted: **Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:41 am**

@Timj Nice score

. A litte

and you will be all set for when the $n0^^

Posted: **Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:50 am**

Nice score and nice price

Put out an add locally and on the forums to see if you can score the parts.

Posted: **Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:21 am**

MattA wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:50 am Nice score and nice price
Put out an add locally and on the forums to see if you can score the parts.

I already have a new piece of pipe, so with a little heat I'll have a lift arm bent up in no time. Wish my other one wasn't 3hrs away, I could use it for a pattern. I'll have to see if I can get my cousin or uncle's, don't think my uncle has his blower on. I could wing it, but with a pattern it will look OEM.

I figured for the price even if it wasn't too good, I would have a mule to use if I find a Berco. But actually spins incredibly free, quiet, and true.

Posted: **Mon Dec 04, 2023 9:32 am**

Timj wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:22 pm I'll just continue with this here.
Got a little more ready for winter this weekend, sticking with my theme of waiting past the last minute. actually mixed in-between a bunch of other things it was a good Case weekend. Shed rearranged and deck and sweeper put to bed for winter. Chains fixed and blade put on 448.
Woke up Sunday to about 2.5" of sloppy snow. Picked up a snow caster locally that popped up.
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Not pretty but mechanically sound, PO had set up for a backup but is starting to sell off his collection. I just need to fab a lift bar and chute crank.
Also came home with a new cutting edge for a 54" blade for $20..

Oh wow! Hehe, great score!

Posted: **Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:44 pm**

Nice purchase at the right time. I would of jumped on the blade edge. I need a new one.

Harry

Posted: **Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:33 pm**

Harry wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:44 pm Nice purchase at the right time. I would of jumped on the blade edge. I need a new one. Harry

I had just looked at mine on Saturday and thought that it's getting due so I was pretty happy.

Posted: **Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:22 pm**

Timj wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:21 am

I figured for the price even if it wasn't too good, I would have a mule to use if I find a Berco. But actually spins incredibly free, quiet, and true.

Boy it’s a good feeling when you bring a new piece home and find it’s in good shape! Well done!

Posted: **Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:26 pm**

My other bit of good fortune over the weekend was discovering the cause of the 448's missing.
Progressively this fall it has been starting harder and missing at idle when cold. The warm up time for it to stop was getting longer and taking more rpms to smooth out. I had been contemplating my game plan.

Plugs looked good but I was going to replace them and the wires and go from there.
When I was priming and bleeding the hydraulics it had started easily and ran smoothly while cranking the engine without choking. But I wasn't really thinking about it at the time. When I started it on Saturday it missed again, was kinda messing around and heard the snapping.

The straight boot plug wire touches the hood.

the hood was actually pulling the boot off the plug. When I was messing with the hydraulics the hood was open.
The correct plug wires should be a angle boot.

Posted: **Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:12 pm**

Tim - I took some quick pictures with approximate measurements of my SB48's lift arm and chute rotation handle. My handle has an extension and an extra bracket on the lift arm. I assume this was a factory option with my CB34 cab. If you need more pictures or measurements, let me know.

Lift arm connection to snowblower. I assume your AHSB48 is the same.

Lift arm.

Holes for retaining clips

Posted: **Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:20 pm**

Watch out for the cotter pins holding the extension together. They can scratch the hood. Previous owner did this. I bend the cotter pins around the shaft.

If your building this from scratch, you might want to consider replacing the hooked section where the rod connects to the chute rotation rod with a universal joint.

I can add some descriptions another time. I need to get some work done tonight.

Posted: **Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:20 pm**

Thanks @MattA these measurements should get me close and I won't have to bother my uncle, although I'm sure he doesn't mount his blower anymore.
I had to modify the lift bar on My AHSB to get it to clear a bracket on my tractor. And it's 3hrs away.

If you get a chance can you measure the distance between the brackets that hold the screw coil for the chute

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:05 pm**

3 and 5/16" between the brackets.

Posted: **Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:12 pm**

MattA wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:05 pm 3 and 5/16" between the brackets.
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Thanks Matt.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:42 pm**

lift arm bent up and blower mounted, now on to the chute crank. :weld1:

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:58 am**

@Timj What did you use for tubing ?

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:44 am**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:58 am @Timj What did you use for tubing ?

It's 3/4" scd40 black pipe. The OD is a perfect fit. I don't know if the OEM used scd80.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:01 am**

I checked mine, it's approximately 1 - 1/16 OD, and the wall thickness is a little more than 1/8", like 5/32.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:28 am**

Timj wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:44 am
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:58 am @Timj What did you use for tubing ?
It's 3/4" scd40 black pipe. The OD is a perfect fit. I don't know if the OEM used scd80.

oem is definately heavier wall than scd 40 . Keep an eye on it . You may need to reinforce the bend . Other than that , it looks good .

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:33 am**

According to my measurement OEM is sch80, which is listed as 1.05 OD and 0.154 wall thickness.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:09 am**

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:28 am
Timj wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:44 am
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:58 am @Timj What did you use for tubing ?
It's 3/4" scd40 black pipe. The OD is a perfect fit. I don't know if the OEM used scd80.
oem is definately heavier wall than scd 40 . Keep an eye on it . You may need to reinforce the bend . Other than that , it looks good .

Ya, that was my thought too. It doesn't seem to flex when lifting the front wheels off the ground but real world use will tell. I think I'll just weld a little gusset in and be done. This little tractor shouldn't come close to bending any of the rest of that tube.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:21 am**

In retrospect a piece of rebar inside at the bend would have been perfect.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:31 am**

Eugen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:21 am In retrospect a piece of rebar inside at the bend would have been perfect.

Yes, definitely would have lessened the distortion of the tube but would have been a little tougher to get heated and bent.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:44 pm**

Looks good Tim. I didn't realize I missed the pipe diameter dimensions.

My 4016 seems to torque to the lift arm side when lifting my SB48 snowcaster. A lift arm setup from both sides of the tractor may be ideal.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:22 pm**

A little box of goodies showed up today from @myerslawnandgarden thanks Bob.

I ordered online Monday afternoon and the package was in today's mail (regular shipping). We have some great vendors out there. Definitely don't forget about Bob!

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:47 pm**

Nice!

Posted: **Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:18 pm**

When I've had a few minutes time I've been able to get my chute crank built and welded on. :weld1:

Put new pulleys and belt on the mule drive. Have a little bit of work to do to get it aligned right and should be ready to go.

Posted: **Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:25 am**

Looking good so far Tim

The lift arm setup typically uses a pair of retaining clips and washers. I think I posted a picture previously.

Posted: **Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:08 pm**

MattA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:25 am Looking good so far Tim

The lift arm setup typically uses a pair of retaining clips and washers. I think I posted a picture previously.

I didn't have them on at the time, was taking the bar on and off and they kept falling off.

Posted: **Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:55 pm**

kicked off the new year with a little tractor time. Actually it was kinda windy and raw and everything was covered in ice (had some freezing rain), so hiding in the shop was ok. Need to get a little more ready if we get snow.
This afternoons accomplishments
Figured out my alignment and belt tension issue on the mule drive. My belt is too long, I had got it for a j84 caster which uses a 6.5" drive pulley, this caster has had a 6" pulley put on so needs belt for newer model. That and a new idler arm bushing and I should be good to go.

Put new plugs and wires on. No more shorting to the hood
New headlight lenses in, old were pretty melted.
New inline fuse holder put in. Had been giving some grief, poor contact inside.
Chains on.
3pt on for a little added weight and to get it off the floor and quit tripping over it.

Posted: **Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:28 pm**

Had to do a few last minute adjustments last night to get the idler pulley in the mule drive to not rub the belt or other pulley. A little sleeve change, some grinding, and a little bending and it came together.
Threw some weights on the drawbar

Gave it a good workout today.

Posted: **Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:15 am**

Looks like you're totally ready for snowmageddon Tim! Great job!

Posted: **Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:29 am**

Looks like the 448 is blowing snow well

Aside from throwing distance, the snowcasters really do a good job in the snow.

Posted: **Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:54 pm**

Nicely done Tim! Looks like it’s working great!

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:01 pm**

The orange and white snowcaster color scheme looks good on your tractor

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:43 pm**

MattA wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:01 pm The orange and white snowcaster color scheme looks good on your tractor

Now that the hodge podge blower has proven itself I've actually been debating if I should paint it white or orange. White would be correct for the Black frame, but I like the look of the power red on the tractor.

I went out tonight just before dark and made a pass through the driveway, 8-10" and still snowing hard. It runs smooth and quiet and throws well.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:32 pm**

I have been watching from afar this fall/winter. Never finished the last pass with the leaf collector, so it hasn't been put away. Obviously, the 448 hasn't had the deck taken off, or the snow blower put on. I tried to talk one of my sons-in-law into helping over Christmas, and we made arrangements for the "day". His wife and other sister talked them into going for the Polar plunge instead!! Then they returned to Florida.

Neighbor plowed me out with his PU yesterday, and drive looks somewhat blown in this morning. Maybe I will get the leaf stuff off and the blower on before winter is over! Yahoo!!!!!!

You guys have skills I never had, and more and more, I am sitting on the sidelines enjoying reading about you guys and your projects!

Bill

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 10:13 pm**

Seabee wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:32 pm I have been watching from afar this fall/winter. Never finished the last pass with the leaf collector, so it hasn't been put away. Obviously, the 448 hasn't had the deck taken off, or the snow blower put on. I tried to talk one of my sons-in-law into helping over Christmas, and we made arrangements for the "day". His wife and other sister talked them into going for the Polar plunge instead!! Then they returned to Florida.

Neighbor plowed me out with his PU yesterday, and drive looks somewhat blown in this morning. Maybe I will get the leaf stuff off and the blower on before winter is over! Yahoo!!!!!!

You guys have skills I never had, and more and more, I am sitting on the sidelines enjoying reading about you guys and your projects!

Bill

Wish I was near by Bill, and could stop by and get your blower on so you could get a little seat time.

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