Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Timj wrote:Some of the trenchers did not have outriggers or stabilizers on them. I think they did this because they used the dozer blade under the hoe as a stabilizer. It appears that there was only a limited time period for this and then they went to having swing down stabilizers with the blade.

Timj wrote:It appears that the blade is a separate implement that is attached under the trencher. I don't know how that would go on a tractor.

Timj wrote:Unless you are looking to fab your own outriggers onto this hoe I think I would pass.
[mention]Spike188[/mention] should have some pics of how the mounting goes.

thebuildist wrote:[mention]Merchlewitz[/mention]
That's exactly what I just bought.

I'll be creating my own complete subframe, as well as outriggers.

I intend to make mine detachable, so it won't actually spend very much time attached to the tractor. But if you care to follow along, I'll be documenting the process, and I'll be happy to share any drawings/plans I create along the way.

I will say that the process I'm following allows me to use a standard, non-reinforced rear transaxle. I'll be hanging all the hoe's weight from the very outward bearing housings, which eliminates the need for extra-strong axle tubes. If you can't find or afford a reinforced rear end, then you might take a look at my design. Otherwise, I wouldn't advise you hang a backhoe on there at all.

If you're wanting to perfectly replicate factory config, you'll have to get a new reinforced rear end in place, and then work more from the various 648LBH pictures that are on this site and the other one. The factory subframe looks pretty easy to do, though you'll still need to build outriggers. To my mind, folding outriggers are both easier to create, and more helpful in use. Their downside is the width. Even folded up, my tractor will be something like 58" wide across the faces of the folded up outrigger pads. If you want to be able to sneak through a normal gate in a residential setting, those outriggers would be in the way.

If you don't want to do or hire any fabrication, then you'll have to wait for a factory made hoe to come along, with its factory outrigger towers and subframe intact.

Bob

Spike188 wrote:Well done [mention]Merchlewitz[/mention] . The rest of the under carriage is flat bar and easly fabricated.

Eugen wrote:Nice! I need just that too!

Merchlewitz wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:42 am

Eugen wrote:Nice! I need just that too!

How is your setup coming along?

Timj wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:27 am If the price is right on this 644 I think I would chase it. If the hoe works out I'd move it to your 648. Then do a little cleanup on the 644 and sell it, unless you have use for two machines.

Merchlewitz wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:22 am Here’s what I just picked up..

thebuildist wrote:

Merchlewitz wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:22 am Here’s what I just picked up..

I must live in the wrong part of the world. How do you find all these things? And so fast!

Bob

Harry wrote:You must be in the right place at the right time. They only show up once in a blue moon in my area. I’ve only seen two that were complete GT’s and I purchased both of them. I remember going to look at the 644 lbh thinking I’ll just look it over. It was so cool I bought it. After using it I was so glad I did. I agree the 600’s are getting rare to find, better snatch it up! Harry

Spike188 wrote:Based on color, the 644 is a 1976. It has the 12" rims and heavy webbed trans axle. I would swap rear ends and hoe over to the 648. The under carriage from the 644 will be a bolt on transfer to the 648. I think the 644 will have 1" plate counter weights. If so the carriage made need modification for the cast weights to fit.

Welcome to the bh club.

Spike188 wrote:The parts book shows the cast weights under a different part number for the 648. The only difference I can think of between the 644/646 and the 648 is power steering. I have modified a 1974 646 frame to accept a backhoe undercarriage from a 1975 646. 1975 was the year backhoes were introduced. The only modification required was drilling 2 holes for carriage mounts. One of those holes is where the 648 power steering cylinder mounts.

It will be interesting to see if there will aby modifications to the carriage during the switch.

Harry wrote:Merchlewitz if you do purchase the 644 that would be great. If I were you I would put the 644 to work and see how it performs to evaluate it. You can always use the 648 as a loader to move material, that’s where the power steering will be nice to have. I’ve found on my 644 lbh, the hoe counter balances nicely for traction and helps in steering also. With your luck in finding GT’s you might just bump into a 7020. Harry

Toolslinger wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:38 am My bet would be the foot pedals are connected to the swing circuit. Case had larger machine early on that worked that way, and perhaps the PO was more familiar with that pattern.

RoamingGnome wrote:Same with my '65 Case 530CK - foot pedals on the sides of the backhoe tower for the swing circuit...

Eugen wrote:[mention]Merchlewitz[/mention] on the big backhoes it's factory default. On yours it appears to be custom. It's a nice feature if done well.