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lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:39 pm
by ras101
Just ordered a new friction disk for my PTO. Do I really need it -- frankly right now I don't know! For me it's just going with the flow and above all else making sure I have parts into the future too. So still stripping my 1977 446 for parts and scrap before I start work on my 1979 but more important 1985, and 1986 446. Need to start the updates to these too to start the winter season. Ordered a lot of new parts from Brian and SalemPwr but also Bob at casetractorparts too. Want to support all our dealers - don't you? I have a number of projects this year, some involve snowblower and many to the GT itself too. As I really get started I will update my threads on this but hope you guys do the same as I am always looking for additional info..
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:18 pm
by Eugen
I could probably use a couple of friction disks myself.
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:06 pm
by ssmewing
I have a pretty popular Youtube video posted and the clutch and what each part does.
If you gave me all the parts of the assembly in a tray you could blindfold me and I would still be able to re-install the parts and get the adjustment perfect. So, I guess you could say that I agree with the name EZ-Clutch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEr3lLbluzc&t=12s
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:23 pm
by ssmewing
When you rebuild the EZ-Clutch the friction disk is replaced after inspection.
There are other parts that you replace without looking first. There are 3 bearings to replace and the 6 wavy washers. The bearings just get old and the grease dries out in them just like deck bearings. They also make the same noise. If you are servicing your clutch I think we can assume it was not staying engaged and it also likely slipped some. The wavy washers are spring steel and heat reduces the springiness. Then it is a double hit to your way too old bearings.
If you have a Kohler engine and the shaft is no longer smooth, then that needs to be resleeved. Bill at Barneveld Implements has them in stock if you do not have a source for them. The Onan clutch shaft only gets wrecked usually if you let the bearings go bad first because that engine runs so smoothly.
If you do replace the friction disk and would like to only have to do it once per machine, you must follow the directions. That means the torque spec must be used to squeeze the disk. To get away with using the oven in the house just use brake cleaner to remove all oil residue. Clean steel bakes without an odor.
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:52 pm
by ras101
Just got the clutch disk from SalemPwr and I also ordered 4" square 1/4 steel 5x5 steel also. My aim is to totally refurbish my PTO. Yeah new bearings, clutch, etc. probably new fork and definitely new bushes. I want to do this once! not into just replacing current worn out parts but want life into the future too.
For me life starts at least 10 years out.... I know when I upgrade utilities in my house my first requirement is not cost but life expectancy and secondly cost of ownership before initial cost. Yeah, you got it right, math major! Cost/Life expectancy/ running cost all play into my decision to spend money besides ease of use, etc.. and yes these also play a role too.
My new to me 1986 446 has a PTO problem for sure (not even checked that out right now though)but right now, although I have a deck and snow blower as part of the deal never installed either. I sense but know that I will have PTO issue (never told by the seller though). Not even going to bother finding out either! Surprised?
The GT has everything I was looking for and expected! My aim though is to improve to the level I personalty need to use this GT. My property slopes to the road and my main concern was "does it have a holding valve? rather that operation.
My first requirement though before even starting work on this project is a place to do it. My garage is used 24/7 for our cars (my wife and I) and yes I know we are strange but also European too and a little storage. Yes I have a shed but that has a lot of well just "stuff" too.I am thinking temporary storage! Not sure of your bi-laws in your area of the country are the same as mine (WNY) but mine are pity strict about buildings and require plans/drawings/ taxes, etc. Decided on a temporary building but one that will stand between seasons and hopefully a few years. Looking at a 10x10 temporary shed . I ahve looked at sheds from Harbor Freight - anyone seen better?
Want to order in the next couple of days..
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:12 pm
by myerslawnandgarden
ras101 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:52 pm
Just got the clutch disk from SalemPwr and I also ordered 4" square 1/4 steel 5x5 steel also. My aim is to totally refurbish my PTO. Yeah new bearings, clutch, etc. probably new fork and definitely new bushes. I want to do this once! not into just replacing current worn out parts but want life into the future too.
For me life starts at least 10 years out.... I know when I upgrade utilities in my house my first requirement is not cost but life expectancy and secondly cost of ownership before initial cost. Yeah, you got it right, math major! Cost/Life expectancy/ running cost all play into my decision to spend money besides ease of use, etc.. and yes these also play a role too.
My new to me 1986 446 has a PTO problem for sure (not even checked that out right now though)but right now, although I have a deck and snow blower as part of the deal never installed either. I sense but know that I will have PTO issue (never told by the seller though). Not even going to bother finding out either! Surprised?
The GT has everything I was looking for and expected! My aim though is to improve to the level I personalty need to use this GT. My property slopes to the road and my main concern was "does it have a holding valve? rather that operation.
My first requirement though before even starting work on this project is a place to do it. My garage is used 24/7 for our cars (my wife and I) and yes I know we are strange but also European too and a little storage. Yes I have a shed but that has a lot of well just "stuff" too.I am thinking temporary storage! Not sure of your bi-laws in your area of the country are the same as mine (WNY) but mine are pity strict about buildings and require plans/drawings/ taxes, etc. Decided on a temporary building but one that will stand between seasons and hopefully a few years. Looking at a 10x10 temporary shed . I ahve looked at sheds from Harbor Freight - anyone seen better?
Want to order in the next couple of days..
You will find that 1/4" steel plate is a little light to fab a clamping fixture from, I started with that but it would not stay flat with the torque spec provided. Also, the instructions recommend a 1/2" bolt. Grade 8 may work but I also found that a grade 5 would not withstand the 80 ft lbs of torque recommended so went to 5/8. Perhaps 1/2-20 SAE would work?
Bob
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:11 am
by ssmewing
myerslawnandgarden wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:12 pm
ras101 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:52 pm
Just got the clutch disk from SalemPwr and I also ordered 4" square 1/4 steel 5x5 steel also. My aim is to totally refurbish my PTO. Yeah new bearings, clutch, etc. probably new fork and definitely new bushes. I want to do this once! not into just replacing current worn out parts but want life into the future too.
For me life starts at least 10 years out.... I know when I upgrade utilities in my house my first requirement is not cost but life expectancy and secondly cost of ownership before initial cost. Yeah, you got it right, math major! Cost/Life expectancy/ running cost all play into my decision to spend money besides ease of use, etc.. and yes these also play a role too.
My new to me 1986 446 has a PTO problem for sure (not even checked that out right now though)but right now, although I have a deck and snow blower as part of the deal never installed either. I sense but know that I will have PTO issue (never told by the seller though). Not even going to bother finding out either! Surprised?
The GT has everything I was looking for and expected! My aim though is to improve to the level I personalty need to use this GT. My property slopes to the road and my main concern was "does it have a holding valve? rather that operation.
My first requirement though before even starting work on this project is a place to do it. My garage is used 24/7 for our cars (my wife and I) and yes I know we are strange but also European too and a little storage. Yes I have a shed but that has a lot of well just "stuff" too.I am thinking temporary storage! Not sure of your bi-laws in your area of the country are the same as mine (WNY) but mine are pity strict about buildings and require plans/drawings/ taxes, etc. Decided on a temporary building but one that will stand between seasons and hopefully a few years. Looking at a 10x10 temporary shed . I ahve looked at sheds from Harbor Freight - anyone seen better?
Want to order in the next couple of days..
You will find that 1/4" steel plate is a little light to fab a clamping fixture from, I started with that but it would not stay flat with the torque spec provided. Also, the instructions recommend a 1/2" bolt. Grade 8 may work but I also found that a grade 5 would not withstand the 80 ft lbs of torque recommended so went to 5/8. Perhaps 1/2-20 SAE would work?
Bob
Yes, the fine-threaded bolt does work way better. You get to sneak up to the torque spec with the fine-threaded bolt. I also think there are dealers or a dealer that will sell you a swapped pulley with the new friction disk already installed. That doesn't do much good right now, though. I cannot remember who it was.
The same can be said for those front axle pins that use a bolt and 2 specially-made washers. Fine-threaded bolts and nuts are easier to tighten as you are taking a smaller bite on your way to the tightness you need.
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:07 am
by ras101
So I know we have an EZ clutch manual in the Tech Library but I came upon this one and like it better so I thought I would share.
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:07 pm
by ssmewing
ras101 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:07 am
So I know we have an EZ clutch manual in the Tech Library but I came upon this one and like it better so I thought I would share.
That is a very nice manual! Thank you for sharing it ras101.
It appears to be a manual created by Ingersoll in the later years of the tractor's production.
I am going to add this one to my quick share folder that I have on my Chrome browser.
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:59 pm
by Eugen
We have a tonne of manuals in the library here but unfortunately it's a bit hard to navigate.
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:41 am
by ssmewing
Eugen wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:59 pm
We have a tonne of manuals in the library here but unfortunately it's a bit hard to navigate.
That is why I use Google. Google finds all the manuals on all the different forums. I have digital and hard copies of a lot of Case stuff. But, when I need them, I just Google them. It is faster for me.
Eugen, there is a way to search the forum "With the power of Google". What I mean by that is I have been on forums where the forum search box said what I quoted. Or something close to that. There is another project for you to learn. This is meant to be funny, Google how to add a Google search of a forum. The one that was on may have been one of the Nissan forums. What it searched was the whole forum. That means threads, library, everything.
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:56 am
by ssmewing
ras101 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:07 am
So I know we have an EZ clutch manual in the Tech Library but I came upon this one and like it better so I thought I would share.
Ras101, do you have the manual number for this manual? All manuals have a number. This manual is a huge find.
I tried to find it by using Ingersoll instead of Case, but that did not work.
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:31 am
by ras101
I too looked for a number but could not find anything. I cam to the conclusion that someone created it rather than Ingersoll as it is highly unusual to have a colored manual. There are no page numbers either. If that is true they did a great job and the colors make readability so much better!
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:29 am
by Eugen
@ssmewing thanks for the suggestion, a google search of the website would be nice indeed. One can do the same thing by just adding on google the sentence "site:manuals.ccigt.com" next to the search, but I can see how it would be more convenient if we had a button on the site doing this. One day I might try and do that.
Re: lets talk EZ PTO clutch
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 2:45 pm
by ras101
Hi, so just spent the best part of a week trying to determine where my E-Z clutch manual came from and what the number could/is. Bottom line is No Luck at all. Can't even reproduce the search I did to find it in the first place! Bottom line I think the "manual" was someone's personal "upgrade" - lets hope they come forward and "accept" responsibility and our thanks and develop more too for other Case/Ingersoll things.