Needs a project??
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:03 pm
for those of you with too much time , parts and money on your hands I present a project .
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Needs a project??
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Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:41 pm
That is a cool project! I’m really liking the hydraulic dump bed. Unfortunately, or, luckily depending on how you want to look at it I don’t meet any of the specified criteria of time, parts, or money!
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:26 am
David I love the idea. I would like one on a larger scale for moving more of what ever you need to move. Thanks for the posting. 
Harry
HarryRe: Needs a project??
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:03 am
I have to wonder though, if you're going to all that trouble why not make the dumper bigger?
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:00 pm
It looks like it might have a solid frame. Probably not great on hills and turning?
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:23 pm
I think the mid frame grader blade is kinda neat - could be a useful machine if you were maintaining bush trails - load of mulch in the back for whatever you couldn't fix with the grader...
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:59 am
Maybe it can swing up and down. Back is just for weight for more traction.
I like it too. I'm often driving around with a trailer connected, why not make it permanent, I got enough tractors!
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:17 pm
is trailer axel hydraulic driven? thinking it would be.
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:38 pm
I was curious and did the Google Lens thing with @DavidBarkey photos...
The original post seemed to imply it was a 6x4 - I'm guessing the back half of a 2nd machine complete with it's hydraulic motor
The original post seemed to imply it was a 6x4 - I'm guessing the back half of a 2nd machine complete with it's hydraulic motor
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:05 pm
If you do a google image search you might be able to find the original source for the image and some more info on the build.RoamingGnome wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:38 pm I was curious and did the Google Lens thing with @DavidBarkey photos...
The original post seemed to imply it was a 6x4 - I'm guessing the back half of a 2nd machine complete with it's hydraulic motor
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:07 pm
I guess you guys are more observant than myself. I thought it was a dump trailer. Reminds me of one I seen years ago on another site. GT with a bench seat and a bed like a pickup bed in the back, but no dump. It would be a terrific project. Harry
HarryRe: Needs a project??
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:31 pm
I just seen these pics on the other GT site, just posted today. Harry
HarryRe: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:50 pm
That looks a lot like the bride of Frankenstein I was building until she tried to kill me . Only she has a kubota 2cyl deisel . I hope to finish her this summer , but will have to restrain her well and ware my helmet
Duals and box is not done yet . She still sit just as you see her here is the back coverall .
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:38 pm
MattA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:05 pmIf you do a google image search you might be able to find the original source for the image and some more info on the build.RoamingGnome wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:38 pm I was curious and did the Google Lens thing with @DavidBarkey photos...
The original post seemed to imply it was a 6x4 - I'm guessing the back half of a 2nd machine complete with it's hydraulic motor
I did - there were only a couple extra photos from the post I found - going back to a Craigslist item from 2016 Case 222 4x6 - $700
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:40 pm
What is now my three-point back blade was originally an underbelly blades on my 442. And that thing was amazing. You can get so much effective down pressure on that blade.
I had just finished it when we had an ice storm. And I was able to peel the frozen ice off of the asphalt on the hill in front of her house to where we our neighbors could leave our neighborhood well before several neighborhoods around us!
I just had it connect to a regular mule bracket in front and connected it to the midlift arms at the back above the blade.
I made one of the mid lift connector arms out of a turnbuckle so that the blade could be tilted.
It was a real pain in the butt to install. But it worked great. Whereas the back blade is a cinch to install but not quite as effective in use.
Bob
I had just finished it when we had an ice storm. And I was able to peel the frozen ice off of the asphalt on the hill in front of her house to where we our neighbors could leave our neighborhood well before several neighborhoods around us!
I just had it connect to a regular mule bracket in front and connected it to the midlift arms at the back above the blade.
I made one of the mid lift connector arms out of a turnbuckle so that the blade could be tilted.
It was a real pain in the butt to install. But it worked great. Whereas the back blade is a cinch to install but not quite as effective in use.
Bob
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:02 pm
Someone a few years back built a larger trailer while keeping the same drive axle concept. So, that means it is different from this one as it is a trailer.
My memory of it is that the trailer was of course a dump trailer. That is an easy addition when you have a hydraulic tractor. I think it was 4-5 feet long and the width was about 6 inches past the tires on each side.
I do not remember if it had stake side rails but, that would certainly be nice.
I do remember the purpose was to haul wood.
My memory of it is that the trailer was of course a dump trailer. That is an easy addition when you have a hydraulic tractor. I think it was 4-5 feet long and the width was about 6 inches past the tires on each side.
I do not remember if it had stake side rails but, that would certainly be nice.
I do remember the purpose was to haul wood.
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:11 pm
It really should be articulated. A rigid frame for the rear wheeled dumper somehow offends my sensibility. 
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:57 pm
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:23 pm
Thanks Bob, that's a gem! The seat at the back though! Priceless. I wonder how many hydraulic pumps the tractor's running..
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:54 pm
I think I would take the rear fenders off and extend dump box all the way over the 222's rear wheels. You can sit in box to drive.
Also, why did he have the dump pivot so far from rear. He could have pivot right at rear and dump from height. Where the pivot is is good for manual dumping, but that cylinder could probably lift 4 ton.
FUTZ
Also, why did he have the dump pivot so far from rear. He could have pivot right at rear and dump from height. Where the pivot is is good for manual dumping, but that cylinder could probably lift 4 ton.
FUTZ
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:19 pm
It probably has individual wheel motors and the wheel timing based on the steering input.
I'll bet it practically spins in place like a skidloader.
Right?
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:49 pm
@thebuildist yeah right
It's a cool project and I would've done a lot worse of it. But it's easy to comment from the bench.
It's a cool project and I would've done a lot worse of it. But it's easy to comment from the bench.
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:48 pm
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:13 am
ahahahaha! You're right Harry, my mistake! I thought it was a real seat attached to the tractor, but it's actually behind the tractor. My eyes tricked me.
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:44 am
...from the FB group "Modified Lawnmowers"
- just an idea for people contemplating adding that extra axle on the back of your GT...
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:52 pm
Gerry, thanks for posting. That reminds me of a track vehicle back in my youth. If I remember correctly it was a jeep body with a tractor ag tire stretched over the tires. It was steered by handles that locked either side lije a zero turn machine. I wish I would have taken a pic but I can still see it in my mind.RoamingGnome wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:44 am ...from the FB group "Modified Lawnmowers"
tracks.jpg
- just an idea for people contemplating adding that extra axle on the back of your GT...
HarryRe: Needs a project??
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:15 pm
I am trying to figure out if the builder is retired or just retreaded.
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:33 pm
Some of the group comments were cringe worthy 
- the OP is just starting his project and I think this was just a visual proof of concept for him.
Other posts in the group have mounted prefab atv style track assemblies on the rear wheels - that could be something to explore if you had the budget
- the OP is just starting his project and I think this was just a visual proof of concept for him.Other posts in the group have mounted prefab atv style track assemblies on the rear wheels - that could be something to explore if you had the budget
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:06 pm
-Note to self---don't join this FB group. 
don't need any more ideas or projects. 
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:02 am
Like a lot of sites there can be some nasty comments . Some like mine were meant to be funny . I have got a lot of inspiration from others putting stuff together out of what ever they had on hand . I have personally built ,rebuilt, scrapped and tried again until got a working product .RoamingGnome wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:33 pm Some of the group comments were cringe worthy
Other posts in the group have mounted prefab atv style track assemblies on the rear wheels - that could be something to explore if you had the budget
It is said that you learn more from failure than successes . Based on that , I think I am go for a PHD (piled higher and deeper) in creative tractor accessory building .
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:25 am
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:02 am It is said that you learn more from failure than successes . Based on that , I think I am go for a PHD (piled higher and deeper) in creative tractor accessory building .
I’m right there with you! I must be a rocket surgeon by now! Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:23 am
That’s right guys. If you succeed at first try try again. Trial and error engineering always worked for me too. Harry
HarryRe: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:51 am
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:15 pm
I am trying to figure out if the builder is retired or just retreaded.
Don't Worry @DavidBarkey - I saw the humour in your comment, 
and I love the fact that this forum is so gosh darn friendly and polite when discussing things, even if (when) conversations wander off the beaten path...I too find inspiration and creative ideas from the most unlikely places (But I don't think my back or kidneys would forgive me if I went off road racing through the forest in a modified "mud mower"
)On different groups and forums I follow - I tend to stay in the shadows, lurking and stealing ideas, like a magpie collecting shiny things and hording them. Despite years of being toughened up by assorted grease monkeys and yard apes living in shops where I've parked my toolbox, my thick skin is getting softer and more delicate with age and retirement. Heck, even my fingernails are usually clean!
Life is too short for
things with internet experts on FB groups - you guys are different... 
...in so many ways...
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:03 pm
Well said! I agree with you 100%, ( even that part about being differentRoamingGnome wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:51 amDavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:15 pm
I am trying to figure out if the builder is retired or just retreaded.
I too find inspiration and creative ideas from the most unlikely places (But I don't think my back or kidneys would forgive me if I went off road racing through the forest in a modified "mud mower"
On different groups and forums I follow - I tend to stay in the shadows, lurking and stealing ideas, like a magpie collecting shiny things and hording them. Despite years of being toughened up by assorted grease monkeys and yard apes living in shops where I've parked my toolbox, my thick skin is getting softer and more delicate with age and retirement. Heck, even my fingernails are usually clean!
Life is too short for
...in so many ways...
). @Eugen has said more than once that this place will be what we make, and that is very true. I really enjoy coming here and learning, chatting, and sharing what I can!
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:43 pm
Here's the next mission. Should you choose to take it. Who going to make a CASE version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnnZAmTjYdw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnnZAmTjYdw
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:58 pm
FUTZ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:43 pm Here's the next mission. Should you choose to take it. Who going to make a CASE version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnnZAmTjYdw
Oh! that IS next level super cool! Some serious engineering went into that one
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:27 pm
oh wow, that's an engineering and fabrication feat! Doubly articulated at that. I'm impressed. 
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:36 pm
Impressive for sure . I envision a 3 cylinder diesel, rad and battery in the middle , fuel and hydraulic tank in the front , driver in the rear for weight distribution . 3 x 200 series axles plumbed in series and locked in low gear .
Lets see , I have a 3 cylinder Perkins , varial output pump , 1 x 200 axle . Thats a start .
enough of that , already got to many unfinished projects .
Lets see , I have a 3 cylinder Perkins , varial output pump , 1 x 200 axle . Thats a start .
enough of that , already got to many unfinished projects . Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:03 pm
Your might as well go for 4 drive axles.DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:36 pm Impressive for sure . I envision a 3 cylinder diesel, rad and battery in the middle , fuel and hydraulic tank in the front , driver in the rear for weight distribution . 3 x 200 series axles plumbed in series and locked in low gear .
Lets see , I have a 3 cylinder Perkins , varial output pump , 1 x 200 axle . Thats a start .
your own Case HemttRe: Needs a project??
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:55 am
Yeeees! 16wd! I will personally donate one rear end!Timj wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:03 pmYour might as well go for 4 drive axles.DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:36 pm Impressive for sure . I envision a 3 cylinder diesel, rad and battery in the middle , fuel and hydraulic tank in the front , driver in the rear for weight distribution . 3 x 200 series axles plumbed in series and locked in low gear .
Lets see , I have a 3 cylinder Perkins , varial output pump , 1 x 200 axle . Thats a start .
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:30 pm
I came across some more pictures I had saved of the 2427 Bob posted.
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:31 am
Very impressive build
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:35 am
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:51 am
I think Dan used to have a website for the tractor build.
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:57 am
@MattA that's a very impressive build. Shaft driven snow blower... wow ! I wonder if this means this is a tractor dedicated to clearing snow. Because I can't see how a mower deck would be driven. Unless the deck is hydraulic?
@FUTZ that's a neat build too. I wonder how they solve the problem of running two hydraulic axles in series, with only one pump.
So many talented people out there...
! I wonder if this means this is a tractor dedicated to clearing snow. Because I can't see how a mower deck would be driven. Unless the deck is hydraulic?@FUTZ that's a neat build too. I wonder how they solve the problem of running two hydraulic axles in series, with only one pump.
So many talented people out there...
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:37 am
I had the pleasure of driving the tractor at that show with the powered dump cart attached. Dan's fabrication skills are unmatched. I know he posted the tractor for sale on Craigslist several times, I wonder if he still has it?
After watching the video, I think I was at the same show but a different year as he doesn't have the cart attached.
Bob
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:47 pm
Hi group, first time I met Dan I was looking to buy a snow caster, seen a ad on cl, jumped right at it, went to his house about 8 - 9:00 pm so it was dark out, he opened his lit up garage and it looked like case heaven in there, I was amazed at all the case parts he had. and he was still tweaking on this machine, and i just happened to go by 1 of his rental properties while he was using this to clear snow a couple years later it was quit cool to see it in action.
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:07 pm
Inspiration for your next Case garden tractor project
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:58 pm
1967 CAT "988 Carry Loader" - just so you know it wasn't an April Fool's photochop job...
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:44 pm
Yeah , but how do you know if they are coming or going .
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:13 pm
Watch for the finger from the operator when you get in the way!
At least on big scrapers the operators seat swivels so you can sit sideways and watch the bowl as it is filling up, I don't know how people feel about rear mounted PTO snowblowers, I think I'd get a wicked crick in my neck looking over my shoulder all the time while driving backwards to blow snow...
At least on big scrapers the operators seat swivels so you can sit sideways and watch the bowl as it is filling up, I don't know how people feel about rear mounted PTO snowblowers, I think I'd get a wicked crick in my neck looking over my shoulder all the time while driving backwards to blow snow...
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:15 pm
Thats exactly why I built the new 446 Blower tractor with front blower . The loader is too handy to take off so for a few years ran the rear hydra blower , but my back/neck just can't take all the looking back . So now I have both front mount on one and rear mount on Frankie with the loader .RoamingGnome wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:13 pm Watch for the finger from the operator when you get in the way!
At least on big scrapers the operators seat swivels so you can sit sideways and watch the bowl as it is filling up, I don't know how people feel about rear mounted PTO snowblowers, I think I'd get a wicked crick in my neck looking over my shoulder all the time while driving backwards to blow snow...
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:43 am
On various forums, you hear this all the time. As soon as someone mentions a rear mount blower, others say it's a bad idea due to next/back issues. I get it, but it shouldn't de-rate rear mounts. When I was a teenager, I worked at a farm, not too much field work, mostly yard work, hooking up feed wagons, or scrapers etc. I'd say 50% of the time I was looking backwards. If it wasn't me, it was one of the old boys. They never complained. I think it keeps your body more flexible. Farm work in general does that. I could see if you were using a tractor for contract snow blowing; 10-12 hrs of looking backwards you'd want something different. But snow blowing shouldn't be more than 2hrs; if it does you need a bigger blower.
Having said that, I've been thinking of setting up the tractor so I could sit either forward or backwards.
Having said that, I've been thinking of setting up the tractor so I could sit either forward or backwards.
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:26 am
All you guys talking about kinks in your necks makes me want to build a tractor with a blower on the rear but also turn the seat and steering wheel around. Now, no more kinks in your neck. Problem solved? @Spike188 how is your neck feeling this winter?
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Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2024 11:55 am
Early rough terrain forklifts were built on a regular looking tractor frame with the operators station turned around...
I really like the Case 190 version though...
Re: Needs a project??
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:04 pm
Some agricultural stuff was built that way too. Here’s an international cotton picker built that way.RoamingGnome wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 11:55 am Early rough terrain forklifts were built on a regular looking tractor frame with the operators station turned around...
forklift 2.jpg
I really like the Case 190 version though...
forklift 3.jpg
forklift 4.jpg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-_VNx2N6J ... lmdA%3D%3D