Page 1 of 1

Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:31 pm
by MattA
While oiling up the chains in my Berco snowblower today I noticed the input shaft bearing adjacent to the pulley is shot. I may need to replace the shaft as well :cuss: I'll have to see what it looks like when I take it apart. Looks like I'm using the snowcaster for now... and the :wife: questions why I need two snowblowers.
20221202_150647.jpg
Screenshot_20221202-201800_Gallery.jpg

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:23 am
by DavidBarkey
ouch . Tell your :wife: . If I had 2 tractors , each with a Seasonal specific attachment I would not need to rush and :creeper: when :hitsfan: :thumbsup: .

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:10 am
by Eugen
@MattA if it makes you feel a little better, the dust shield on the new bearing I installed on the snowcaster in the same position fell off after a few minutes. :moo:

How much of a pain is it to replace this one?

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:12 pm
by MattA
DavidBarkey wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:23 am ouch . Tell your :wife: . If I had 2 tractors , each with a Seasonal specific attachment I would not need to rush and :creeper: when :hitsfan: :thumbsup: .
Agreed :cheers:

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:17 pm
by MattA
Eugen wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:10 am @MattA if it makes you feel a little better, the dust shield on the new bearing I installed on the snowcaster in the same position fell off after a few minutes. :moo:

How much of a pain is it to replace this one?
Probably not too bad. I'm going to take it apart and then order what I need. I started taking it apart today but ran out of time. I did get my winter tractor conversion done today.
20221203_210557.jpg
20221203_210604.jpg
20221203_210706.jpg
20221203_210730.jpg

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:30 am
by Eugen
The only thing a man doesn't need two of is the :wife:! Everything else it's good to have back up!

That red tractor looks nice!

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:09 pm
by MattA
I took advantage of the 50F weather this afternoon and got my Berco's input shaft removed and disassembled. The 0.750" shaft is worn down to about 0.690" by the input pulley and down to about 0.725" by the output gear. The output gear shaft key and chain tensioner both have some wear.
20221229_143203.jpg
20221229_144938.jpg
20221229_144950.jpg

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:27 am
by Eugen
@MattA I'm assuming those are the excentric tightening bearings in the first picture? Did they seize and turned the shaft down from friction? What are you going to do about the shaft? With access to a lathe and welder you could add material and then turn it to size I suppose.

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:39 pm
by MattA
Eugen wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:27 am @MattA I'm assuming those are the excentric tightening bearings in the first picture? Did they seize and turned the shaft down from friction? What are you going to do about the shaft? With access to a lathe and welder you could add material and then turn it to size I suppose.
I think the bearings are eccentric like the snowcasters but I have not confirmed this. Neither bearing was seized. The bearing by the pulley? has a little vibration as you turn it. The gear side? is nice and smooth like new. The gear side bearing was missing 1 of 2 set screws. Its possible the bearings may not have been tightened down by the previous owner/factory.

The parts for the Berco are still available from Salempwr and Lawn care distributors. I got a quote from lawn care distributors at about 30% discount over Salempwr. https://www.lawncaredistributors.com/parts/

Input shaft ~$22
Input shaft bearings ~$13 for both
Tensioner + the spring ~$9
Either shaft key $18 :cuss:

I'm debating buying the key that looks a little worn. Any feedback is appreciated...

Berco manuals are attached for anyone interested.

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:39 pm
by DavidBarkey
MattA wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:39 pm
Eugen wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:27 am @MattA I'm assuming those are the excentric tightening bearings in the first picture? Did they seize and turned the shaft down from friction? What are you going to do about the shaft? With access to a lathe and welder you could add material and then turn it to size I suppose.
I think the bearings are eccentric like the snowcasters but I have not confirmed this. Neither bearing was seized. The bearing by the pulley? has a little vibration as you turn it. The gear side? is nice and smooth like new. The gear side bearing was missing 1 of 2 set screws. Its possible the bearings may not have been tightened down by the previous owner/factory.

The parts for the Berco are still available from Salempwr and Lawn care distributors. I got a quote from lawn care distributors at about 30% discount over Salempwr. https://www.lawncaredistributors.com/parts/

Input shaft ~$22
Input shaft bearings ~$13 for both
Tensioner + the spring ~$9
Either shaft key $18 :cuss:

I'm debating buying the key that looks a little worn. Any feedback is appreciated...

Berco manuals are attached for anyone interested.
Buy key stock and make your own . YES replace them , just need a hack saw and bench grinder .
Salempwr was a little more expensive for the shaft , bearings and tensioner /spring . But what was there price on shaft keys . Does it balance out ?? They do , do a lot to help us with repairs .

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:29 pm
by MattA
DavidBarkey wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:39 pm
MattA wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:39 pm
Eugen wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:27 am @MattA I'm assuming those are the excentric tightening bearings in the first picture? Did they seize and turned the shaft down from friction? What are you going to do about the shaft? With access to a lathe and welder you could add material and then turn it to size I suppose.
I think the bearings are eccentric like the snowcasters but I have not confirmed this. Neither bearing was seized. The bearing by the pulley? has a little vibration as you turn it. The gear side? is nice and smooth like new. The gear side bearing was missing 1 of 2 set screws. Its possible the bearings may not have been tightened down by the previous owner/factory.

The parts for the Berco are still available from Salempwr and Lawn care distributors. I got a quote from lawn care distributors at about 30% discount over Salempwr. https://www.lawncaredistributors.com/parts/

Input shaft ~$22
Input shaft bearings ~$13 for both
Tensioner + the spring ~$9
Either shaft key $18 :cuss:

I'm debating buying the key that looks a little worn. Any feedback is appreciated...

Berco manuals are attached for anyone interested.
Buy key stock and make your own . YES replace them , just need a hack saw and bench grinder .
Salempwr was a little more expensive for the shaft , bearings and tensioner /spring . But what was there price on shaft keys . Does it balance out ?? They do , do a lot to help us with repairs .
They were both $18+ for the keys. I've bought most of my parts over the years from salempwr. Bob at casegardentractorparts got my last order since he supports us on this site.

I measured the keys and the key slots tonight. The gear side is pretty worn and has a decent amount of play. I will replace the key. The pulley side is good and tight. I actually had to heat the pulley a little bit to remove it.

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2022 7:08 am
by DavidBarkey
@MattA I wounder if Bob can price match .

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:32 pm
by MattA
I finally had some time to get the input shaft rebuilt today. New shaft, new bearings and new chain side key. Assembly went ok. The bearings don't appear to be eccentric. They just have two set screws... so I just locked them down. Any feedback would be appreciated.
20230128_142248.jpg
20230128_134435.jpg
I also replaced both spring loaded plastic chain tensioners. These would be a good mod for older Case snowcasters.

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:08 pm
by Eugen
I'm sorry about the attachment problem, there was a limit reached but now it should be fixed.

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:15 am
by DavidBarkey
MattA wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:32 pm I finally had some time to get the input shaft rebuilt today. New shaft, new bearings and new chain side key. Assembly went ok. The bearings don't appear to be eccentric. They just have two set screws... so I just locked them down. Any feedback would be appreciated.

20230128_142248.jpg
20230128_134435.jpg

I also replaced both spring loaded plastic chain tensioners. These would be a good mod for older Case snowcasters.
I know it is a pain , but if you can take it back apart you will see where the set screws have bit into the shaft . Taking a drill bit the same size as the set screw and drill a small pocket for the set screw to seat into . That will keep the shaft from spinning in the bearing if the screws ever come loose .

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:38 am
by Gordy
DavidBarkey wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:15 am
MattA wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:32 pm I finally had some time to get the input shaft rebuilt today. New shaft, new bearings and new chain side key. Assembly went ok. The bearings don't appear to be eccentric. They just have two set screws... so I just locked them down. Any feedback would be appreciated.

20230128_142248.jpg
20230128_134435.jpg

I also replaced both spring loaded plastic chain tensioners. These would be a good mod for older Case snowcasters.
I know it is a pain , but if you can take it back apart you will see where the set screws have bit into the shaft . Taking a drill bit the same size as the set screw and drill a small pocket for the set screw to seat into . That will keep the shaft from spinning in the bearing if the screws ever come loose .
I have done something similar but for a different reason ;) When torqued down the set screws deform the shaft / raise some material at the contact point. So the tight fitting bearing needs to be beaten past that point when it comes time for disassembly. I lightly set the screws to mark the shaft, then a sharpie to mark (+) the shaft and bearing location. Then disassemble and grind flats 1/16-1/8" deep on the shaft were the screw will bite into the shaft.

:cheers:
Gordy

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:44 am
by MattA
This is what the tensioners look like. These are the old worn ones. The tensioners bolt in place from one side or bolt all the way through with a spring and run less than $10.
20230128_145657.jpg
20230128_145648.jpg
Input chain tensioner. Looks like it could use a washer to shift it over.
Input chain tensioner. Looks like it could use a washer to shift it over.
Auger chain tensioner looking down from the top.
Auger chain tensioner looking down from the top.
Spring.
Spring.

Re: Well it looks like my Berco needs some work

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:54 am
by MattA
Gordy wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:38 am
DavidBarkey wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:15 am
MattA wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:32 pm I finally had some time to get the input shaft rebuilt today. New shaft, new bearings and new chain side key. Assembly went ok. The bearings don't appear to be eccentric. They just have two set screws... so I just locked them down. Any feedback would be appreciated.

20230128_142248.jpg
20230128_134435.jpg

I also replaced both spring loaded plastic chain tensioners. These would be a good mod for older Case snowcasters.
I know it is a pain , but if you can take it back apart you will see where the set screws have bit into the shaft . Taking a drill bit the same size as the set screw and drill a small pocket for the set screw to seat into . That will keep the shaft from spinning in the bearing if the screws ever come loose .
I have done something similar but for a different reason ;) When torqued down the set screws deform the shaft / raise some material at the contact point. So the tight fitting bearing needs to be beaten past that point when it comes time for disassembly. I lightly set the screws to mark the shaft, then a sharpie to mark (+) the shaft and bearing location. Then disassemble and grind flats 1/16-1/8" deep on the shaft were the screw will bite into the shaft.

:cheers:
Gordy
Another option May be to take the set screws out one at a time and use a pointed punch to deform the shaft.

The input pulley and output gear set screw points are drilled into the shaft.