Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Different plough tractor to look at today. I watch this channel each morning. Videos are 2 to 4 minutes long about. Allways a different tractor each video. Normally 4 wheel tractors, but today is a 2 wheel walking tractor. And not a little one either. Would be quite a thing to do work with.
Some times he shows a crawler tractors too.

Noel

Neat machine. I bet whoever owned it in the 40s was thrilled to have it! Better than walking behind a horse, but not by much!

@propane1 Thanks for sending me down a rabbit hole because I didn't end up in a dead furrow.

I really like the blue tracked machine! You really gotta watch your legs with that, for sure. It'd be the subject of many lawsuits here, or is it home built?

This mornings tractor.

Noel

Two horse power tractors today.

Noel

They sure do a pretty job! It takes some kind of dedication to work with horses. Part trainer, part veterinarian. It kind of an art form working with a team. I could only imagine what the field would look like if they gave me the reins! It’d be so crooked and lumpy you’d be better off putting a fence around it and letting the hogs root it up!

Quite the set up today on todays ploughing tractors. Im sure you’ve seen these before. I like watching these. You can see the other tractor off in the distance, in the last picture

Noel

Those steam engines are so neat.

Different one today.

Noel

I thinks that’s the most padded seat I’ve ever seen on an old tractor. I wonder if it came that way or it’s an add on.

An odd tractor today. Odd to me, but not to them. Different plowing opening. That was the second pass, Id say.

Noel

It is a rather odd tractor, at least it’s odd in its starting sequence. I believe it’s a single cylinder. You have to put smoldering paper into the bore and then use a shotgun shell and a hammer to get it started!
Must have pretty good torque, it’s pulling 3 bottoms.

propane1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:28 am Different one today.

Noel

Quite impressive that he can plow with a 8hp engine. A small blade width maybe?

JSinMO wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 9:15 am It is a rather odd tractor, at least it’s odd in its starting sequence. I believe it’s a single cylinder. You have to put smoldering paper into the bore and then use a shotgun shell and a hammer to get it started!
Must have pretty good torque, it’s pulling 3 bottoms.

I’m not sure Jeff on those. But that one maybe started with a crank that goes into the flywheel on the right side and not the shot gun shell. But I could be wrong. The other tractor I’m thinking of is a Lanz. It could be the one that uses the shot gun shell. But I could have them backwards. And yes single cylinder. 5.1 litre. Almost the same size as a 302 ford V8 5.0 litre.

Noel

Eugen wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:36 am

propane1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:28 am Different one today.

Noel

Quite impressive that he can plow with a 8hp engine. A small blade width maybe?

I would think it would be a 10” plow Eugen. If not a 12”. More gradually turning of the sod, because of the long moldboard, could be making it easier to pull. A 10” brinly plow has a shorter moldboard which makes it more aggressive and not as easy to pull.
Just my take on it. I could be wrong.

Noel

Eugen wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:36 am

propane1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:28 am Different one today.

Noel

Quite impressive that he can plow with a 8hp engine. A small blade width maybe?

Over time the definition of horsepower has changed greatly over the years. Like some of those huge steam tractors labeled at 6HP, 10HP or 15HP. And back then engines were generally slower turning torque monsters.


Gordy

The Brinly moldboard plow is 10" and the configuration manual talks about 5-6" depth. To me that seems too shallow for a garden, and always try to make the plow go deeper, more like 8". There is a nice document from Michigan State University about how to match tractor power with implements, and they assume an 8" plowing depth. They have some tables in that document, and a couple of formulas to calculate stuff. For instance, let's try to calculate the drawbar HP required to pull a 10" plow like the Brinly. Let's assume a medium textured soil (loam) for which they give a draft value of 750 pounds per foot of width of the implement, which makes it 625 pounds for the width of 10". The formula is draft * speed / 375. Let's assume 2 miles per hour for our small tractors (they usually use 4 mph). This would give us 625*2/375 = 3.33 drawbar HP. Now, the question is, what drawbar HP does one of our tractors have? They also give a way to calculate that. For firm soil, they say a tractor gets a drawbar horse power available to the implement equal to 62.5% of the PTO horse power. My 444 therefore would be able to get around 14*62.5/100 = 8.75 DBHP. Which tells me that a 444 should be just fine to plow my garden. And it is.


Here's the document.

Very true Gordy. Put a 8 hp Tecumseh walk behind snow blower engine on the little tractor and see how far it would get.

Noel

Ha, sounds like that 8hp is a little of an underestimate. The Kohler K341 16HP is 588cc, close to the 0.6 litre Steed eh?

I am guessing that it’s a Diesel engine. This fella that put the description on his videos puts petrol instead of diesel some times by mistake. Caught him at at it before and was teasing him about it.

Noel

And that’s just a guess in the picture, in the red, that could be in that tractor.

In that case, a 659cc diesel engine will have torque at 2000 rpm, no joke, more than the 16HP Onan, would be my guess! OK, now it makes sense.

FYI - There is currently a Ransomes Tracked Tractor in the Ontario FB Marketplace listings... Just in case any of you need another "project"
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1454770 ... 4680437724

Thankfully it’s to far away for me.

Noel

A very interesting project for sure!

That’s a really cool crawler! With those narrow tracks I think I’d be stuck pretty quickly.
@propane1 you made me curious! I had to go look up the Field Marshall and the Lanz.

Found a couple of videos. The Lanz used the steering wheel to crank the engine.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uybslncIbVg

The Field Marshall was the shotgun start.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VEurohAwrmA

Pretty cool stuff!

JSinMO wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:11 pm That’s a really cool crawler! With those narrow tracks I think I’d be stuck pretty quickly.
@propane1 you made me curious! I had to go look up the Field Marshall and the Lanz.

Found a couple of videos. The Lanz used the steering wheel to crank the engine.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uybslncIbVg

The Field Marshall was the shotgun start.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VEurohAwrmA

Pretty cool stuff!

Ahhh. Thanks Jeff. I’ve seen video's on those before. But could not remember.

Noel

Thats a cool piece . Wounder if it is clutches or slip belt drive to steer .

I love that Lanz bulldog. Wish I had one. One huge cylinder, two stroke, and diesel. Now that's a thumper like no other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYeEotP_c3M

wow thats wild never knew they made a engine like this, learn alot on this site,

Sort of a rare tractor today. This one is in very nice shape.
There is one of these tractors here in PEI.

Noel

That’s a nice one. I’m not familiar with it but I’m guessing it was a European model. Probably not many made it over here.

Yes Jeff. They were made in England.

Noel

Nice little tractor today , along with a surprise.

Noel

Found out that those two wheel tractors are called, pedestrian tractors, in England.


Noel

propane1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:49 am Found out that those two wheel tractors are called, pedestrian tractors, in England.


Noel

Does that mean that they have the right of way ?
They do have term that I find funny . I guess some of our terms are funny to them .
I just call them walk behinds , because well you walk behind them .

That pedestrian tractor seems like a lot to wrestle with. I wouldn’t blame him if he was a little jealous of the guy on the Mitsubishi!

DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:45 am

propane1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:49 am Found out that those two wheel tractors are called, pedestrian tractors, in England.


Noel

Does that mean that they have the right of way ?
They do have term that I find funny . I guess some of our terms are funny to them .
I just call them walk behinds , because well you walk behind them .

Well Dave, I wouldn’t stand in front of it while he plowing, so I guess he’d have the right of way.

Noel

Big tractor today fellas. Quite a motor. Love crawler tractors.

Noel

Wow Noel that would have been a monster back then .

30300 lbs of monster Dave. 135 hp 480 ftlb of torque.

Noel

propane1 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:36 am 30300 lbs of monster Dave. 135 hp 480 ftlb of torque.

Noel

That's almost twice the weight of my backhoe. almost double the HP too. Had no idea Rolls Roice made diesel engines too.

I love crawlers too! In fact my initial reasons for going to the auction where I bought the 446 and Herbie the truck was to try and bring home the American little brother to this one. I really wanted the TD-6 bulldozer but once I got to look it over I realized it had a cracked head and that was more than I wanted to get into so I let it go. Maybe someday!

JSinMO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:18 am I love crawlers too! In fact my initial reasons for going to the auction where I bought the 446 and Herbie the truck was to try and bring home the American little brother to this one. I really wanted the TD-6 bulldozer but once I got to look it over I realized it had a cracked head and that was more than I wanted to get into so I let it go. Maybe someday!

Me too Jeff! You'll find your dozer, you'll see. One day! Or maybe it'll find you!

When I was in the Army some of the self propelled personnel carriers, self propelled howitizers and tanks had Rolls Royce diesel engines in them. They seemed to be powerful enough to haul a lot of weight around. Harry

Todays machine ploughing. Neat tractor.


Noel

You don’t see these tractors every day. Great plowing.

Noel

I know a lot of folks love those, but to my eye they are very odd looking!

This one reminds me of the Massey Harris Pony, which I like the looks of. This one is a bit odd looking, but nice. I just am not a big fan of the green colour. I might have liked some of the very old JDs if it weren't for that green. I know, shallow... but that's how I feel. I also don't like much the look of Ford, no offence to anyone who likes them. I like the way they are built, but not really how they look. On the other hand I do like the old Cub Cadets. And of course I like our Case. My ramble for today

More entertainment for you fellas.

Noel

Ah... the look on some peoples faces if you told them you had a Lamborghini in the garage

I’ve seen a few Lamborghini tractors before but that’s the first one on tracks I’ve seen. I don’t even want to think about what it must be like to find parts! 40 HP on tracks, I bet a fella could pull a 3 bottom plow without too much trouble.

Neat little tractor today.

Noel

That’s what you call a walk behind two wheel tractor. Jumpins.

Noel

Something a little different today.

Noel

Quite a machine today. Oh my aching back. One pass would be it for me.

Noel

Thanks for posting Noel. I like the blue Fordson above.

A two hp ploughing machine today.

Noel

Those are some impressive straight furrows for a 2 horsepower unit

Another walk behind tractor with plow, that I wouldn’t want to walk behind. Hehe.
For some reason he could not get the plow into the ground.

Noel

Nice one today. Just idling along.

Noel

These two are concentrating on the plowing.

Noel

propane1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:26 am These two are concentrating on the plowing.

Noel

What a great photo - I love the dog on his little platform... and all the wrenches (spanners) hanging on their rack - talk about being prepared!

Yep, away ahead of me them plowing fellas.

I practiced plowing today, for our plow match. Three seasons tomorrow.

Noel

Well didn’t do so good plowing. But I found a problem. The points on the moldboards are worn out. Stupid me thought they were ok, I didn’t look close enough I guess. Plowed three times. So there could be more problems too, like the operator. Can’t fix the operation. But can fix the points.
Cast iron points wear easy. So should have the
points fixed for next years plow match.


Noel

propane1 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:51 pm Well didn’t do so good plowing. But I found a problem. The points on the moldboards are worn out. Stupid me thought they were ok, I didn’t look close enough I guess. Plowed three times. So there could be more problems too, like the operator. Can’t fix the operation. But can fix the points.
Cast iron points wear easy. So should have the
points fixed for next years plow match.


Noel

Sorry to hear it didn’t go so well Noel. I’m will to bet your plow job with worn points would beat mine with new ones!
Just curious what plow you used, and are the points replaceable or are you planning some blacksmithing?

Just a 3 point two sod Massey Ferguson plow Jeff. Nothing special. Yes points are replaceable and or I may weld new points on.


Noel

Different tractor today. The steel paddles on the wheels are a neat idea.

Noel

Some pictures of tractor, plows and plowing. Zoom in on the plow my NS buddy has on the Ford 8N, to see all the adjustments he can make. My plow is just a basic old plow on my Ferguson.

Noel

My plow points are worn out. No wonder I couldn't plow good. Just wait till next year. Have a new set, already had them. But didn’t use them. And I’ll fix the worn out ones, to have.

Noel

So, strangely enough now that I think of it. I came in Second last year with those points. Points may not have been worn as much maybe, or the other plowers did worse than I did.

Still have not heard who placed where yet, for this years plowing.


Noel

The good news Noel is that you have a whole year to prepare. I have no experience with plowing, except what I do with the small plow in our small garden, and I know it's not setup properly because the tractor gets stuck all the time when the plow goes too deep. I've wanted to add one of those wheels that keeps the depth constant, but I never seem to find time for it. How many people participated in this contest?

10 this year Eugen. Could have been more if we were not rained out on Saturday.
I’ve seen as many as 14 over the years. One fella was from northern NB this year. He has been here before.
A few years ago there were one or two from Ontario.

Could be just depth adjustment Eugen, if set to deep.
But a wheel sure helps on a Brinley plow.

Noel

Well got the results of the plowing. I didn’t do so good. Hehe. But I knew that. On to next year.


Noel

Caught me off guard this one. Thought it was a Allis Chalmers G. One of my favourite tractors.

Noel

Eugen wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:33 pm The good news Noel is that you have a whole year to prepare. I have no experience with plowing, except what I do with the small plow in our small garden, and I know it's not setup properly because the tractor gets stuck all the time when the plow goes too deep. I've wanted to add one of those wheels that keeps the depth constant, but I never seem to find time for it. How many people participated in this contest?

In another post you mentioned what would I do if things never broke. Maybe get to all the projects like a wheel for the plow. That’s what I’m talking about! Harry

Ya Harry. To many things to do and to little energy to do them all. Or I forget those little projects.

Noel

Neat little tractor today.

Noel

https://youtu.be/grg0WLNpkpQ?si=DaSalWh7W5qtbY_Z

Always interesting to watch, such a variety of old garden tractors in the background too... thanks for sharing Noel

Neat little tractor . But what I found most impressive was how it lifted at the end of the row using the 1/4 gear engaging the one wheel .

Crawler tractor today.

Noel


https://youtu.be/s1o7ZPMoSh0?si=YC9GSpFY1DNsizaJ

Nice Video Noel, What a cute little crawler and nice detail shots of adjusting the plough settings and the worm's eye view was good too...

I like that crawler. I'm kinda sad to sell my crawler, some guy from Nipissing is coming to get it.

Eugen wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:19 am I like that crawler. I'm kinda sad to sell my crawler, some guy from Nipissing is coming to get it.

Sad, but one step closer to your goal .

Small crawler working today.

Noel

https://youtu.be/p-rOF2rc0VQ?si=M73G6wyddSNwRksH

That is a neet little machine .

Neat tractor today.

Noel

https://youtu.be/hjSi2Z1P18Q?si=GJJLwz07-73lbad3

Oh, my back, but a neat plowing rig today.

Noel

https://youtu.be/vrBxqOYF9oQ?si=p9aNBcEaNHze88_P

It was nice to see how the operator was making adjustments as he made the furrows. When pulling it behind you on a GT you can’t do that. Harry

Some very straight furrows... I'll bet a walk-behind helps build some good upper body strength

I wonder what happens when it loses traction or gets stuck. I hate to have to wrestle with it! But then again I guess if the field is that soft you probably wouldn’t, or shouldn’t, be trying to plow.

Nice John Deere.

Noel

https://youtu.be/QemuJSBTKkk?si=42_-oa6E9oN7uJ4t

Neat tractor today ploughing.

Noel


https://youtu.be/w1sjsY7wQLs?si=_JMuPgU3iZwzUEBs

Noel, Wow only 8hp. That’s the little plow that could. Harry

Ya Harry. 2 hp per cylinder. She’s a monster.

Noel

Nice set up today.

Noel

https://youtu.be/fabTRmGW6D8?si=jJ9fPKHB9lBYr3Rt