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Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:32 am
by propane1
I need to check the adjustment of the belt from motor to mowing deck, on my 1975 Case 224, 48” wide deck. Can’t remember what it is and I’ve seen it before. And ya, I could search numerous places for it. But I thought I’d create some activity on the site.
Thanks for any information.
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:28 am
by Eugen
I never knew there was a way to adjust that belt tightness. I just get it real tight twisting the handle at the front of the mule drive.
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:52 am
by DavidBarkey
The gap between coils is to be 1/8" . see page ten at bottom .
https://manuals.ccigt.com/OperatorManua ... 0large.pdf
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:58 am
by propane1
Thanks Dave. I remember seeing that now.
Hehe, but I’m sure I’ll forget it again, over time.
Noel
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:23 pm
by DavidBarkey
propane1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:58 am
Thanks Dave. I remember seeing that now.
Hehe, but I’m sure I’ll forget it again, over time.
Noel
for get what
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:25 pm
by Eugen
yeah, what are we talking about?!
but what coils? ...
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:28 pm
by DavidBarkey
Eugen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:25 pm
yeah, what are we talking about?!
but what coils? ...
in the mule drive tension spring thingy
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:31 pm
by Eugen
DavidBarkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:28 pm
Eugen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:25 pm
but what coils? ...
in the mule drive tension spring thingy
ooooooh !
that is one thing of precision that I probably never would have looked into.
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:58 pm
by propane1
Hehe. There now. Some activity. Hehe. I’ll see if I can remember by the next time this week that I need to cut,,,, something.
Noel
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:16 pm
by Harry
Noel, thanks for posting the question and David thanks for the answer. 1/8” between the coils, that’s tight. I never knew how tight to make that.
Harry
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:59 am
by DavidBarkey
Harry wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:16 pm
Noel, thanks for posting the question and David thanks for the answer. 1/8” between the coils, that’s tight. I never knew how tight to make that.
Harry
Yes it would seam that way , but it is relative to the spring being used. If the wrong (different tension)spring is used it will ether not be tight enough or break belts.
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:25 am
by Eugen
It also implies everything else must be to spec, no bent pulleys, correct size belt, etc.
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:11 pm
by propane1
I guess I should not of adjusted it.
But the coils never even opened on the spring. But I could tell it was tighter and that the belt was loose before.
Any way, what length of belt do I need. Motor to deck.
Can’t really say much. This belt was what was on it 2 years ago when I got the tractor, after it sat outside for 5 years not running. And who knows how old it is before that.
That changes my plans for tomorrow, for sure.
Noel
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:43 pm
by MattA
Its possible to wear the belt down enough that the belt bottoms out in the pulley V groove and the belt no longer makes good contact with the sides of the V groove pulley.
The forum should also have a pdf chart with belt sizes.
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:11 pm
by propane1
MattA wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:43 pm
Its possible to wear the belt down enough that the belt bottoms out in the pulley V groove and the belt no longer makes good contact with the sides of the V groove pulley.
The forum should also have a pdf chart with belt sizes.
Yes I would say you are correct on the wear on the belt, and it touching the bottom of the pulley. Which would cause slippage Matt.
I could find the length some where, and of course I know I’ve seen it before, my trouble is remembering how and where to find it.
Noel
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:07 am
by Eugen
Noel, we have the manual showing belt sizes for all tractors here:
https://manuals.ccigt.com/FAQ/Case%20&% ... marked.pdf
I believe others have said that the original Case belt is a little thicker than 1/2 inch and you can get that only from Case vendors. So a thicker belt and all other things being equal will be tensioned differently. My experience with these tractors is that most previous owners have changed at least one thing, and that makes you scratch your head when you do things by the book and they don't work, like you tensioned the belt but the spring coils don't look like 1/8 distance between them. You may not have even the original spring. In such cases what I'd do is measure the belt that was there and then buy a belt shorter by a few inches. The alternative is to bring the whole thing back to factory spec, but that's not as easy.
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:35 am
by propane1
Eugen wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:07 am
Noel, we have the manual showing belt sizes for all tractors here:
https://manuals.ccigt.com/FAQ/Case%20&% ... marked.pdf
I believe others have said that the original Case belt is a little thicker than 1/2 inch and you can get that only from Case vendors. So a thicker belt and all other things being equal will be tensioned differently. My experience with these tractors is that most previous owners have changed at least one thing, and that makes you scratch your head when you do things by the book and they don't work, like you tensioned the belt but the spring coils don't look like 1/8 distance between them. You may not have even the original spring. In such cases what I'd do is measure the belt that was there and then buy a belt shorter by a few inches. The alternative is to bring the whole thing back to factory spec, but that's not as easy.
Thanks Eugen. And you are correct. I tend to look at all avenues when searching something, but some times that gets me in trouble. One length chart I looked at the length was 65.20” another was 66.40”. And my tractor has an electric pto, not manual. So hard to say if engine pto pulley is the same size as factory. Or any of the pulleys for that matter. Any way I measured the old belt and got a measurement of 70”. Soooo, off to princess auto and got a 69” and a 70”. I think either will work. Lots of adjustment on the crank at the front for tightness of the belt. So I’ll see what fits best.
Noel
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:53 am
by Eugen
I don't know if it helps you at all, but the way I adjusted mine when cutting was by feel. From very loose, I tightened a little more and ran the engine at RPM on the higher side, and looked that the belt didn't flop around, and tightened it until that seemed ok. Then I cut some grass and if it cuts fine I just leave it. I don't think this is one of those things that needs very precise settings, but I'm sure that some people like to be super precise in everything and they're standards are higher. I don't have enough energy to do that, so many times I do it by trial and error.
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:25 am
by propane1
So. The 69” belt would not go on. The 70” did, but snug. Which is good. I’ll have lots of adjustment. I do the feel the belt method to Eugen. With this one adjust to where I thought was good the coils on the spring are not apart any. No slipping when I turn the electric pto on and no slipping while cutting the grass. All grass at home cut. So for now, all is good.
Noel
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:01 pm
by Harry
Noel is the electric clutch from a Case GT or another brand? I transplanted an electric cluth off a JD on my 446 snowblower GT. I figured the pulley on the clutch was for a 1/2” belt and the Case snow caster 9/16”. I used a 9/16” belt and the pulleys were about the same diameter.
Harry
Re: Belt adjustment info please.
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:51 am
by propane1
I don't know that Harry. It was like this when I got the tractor. It works fine. My other Case 446 has an electric pto too.
Noel