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Todays canning

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:17 pm
by DavidBarkey
Unstuffed cabbage rolls . All the stuff you would put in cabbage rolls except the rice and is all chopped up , put in jars and canned .
When ready to eat just make up you rice , plate it , heat it up and pore over the rice and serve . Tastes the same as cabbage rolls but take about 15 min. to heat and serve .

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:21 pm
by Eugen
Great idea! Do you use sourkraut?

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:26 pm
by DavidBarkey
Eugen wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:21 pm Great idea! Do you use sourkraut?
Yes I do , I love it . the rest not so much . I have to make another jar soon . Since I am the only one here that eats it , I just make a jar at a time .

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:07 pm
by thebuildist
DavidBarkey wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:17 pm Unstuffed cabbage rolls . All the stuff you would put in cabbage rolls except the rice and is all chopped up , put in jars and canned .
When ready to eat just make up you rice , plate it , heat it up and pore over the rice and serve . Tastes the same as cabbage rolls but take about 15 min. to heat and serve .
I saw where Eugen has never tried fried okra, and I thought, "How can that be possible? Fried okra is everywhere around here."

But now I see that you're referring to cabbage rolls, and I've never even SEEN a cabbage roll. Funny how things are!

Bob

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:22 pm
by Jancoe
Yummy. Golabki. I had some at a family gathering a few weeks ago. Stuffed myself full of them. One of my favorites.

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Re: Todays canning

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:49 pm
by Eugen
thebuildist wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:07 pm I saw where Eugen has never tried fried okra, and I thought, "How can that be possible? Fried okra is everywhere around here."

But now I see that you're referring to cabbage rolls, and I've never even SEEN a cabbage roll. Funny how things are!

Bob
But it'll be easy for me to try okra, I've seen it in some grocery stores in Toronto. You won't find cabbage rolls that easy.

Let's see, don't you guys use summer savoury in anything?

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:15 am
by DavidBarkey
Cabbage rolls are big in the Polish, Ukrainian , and German communities . I come from German Mennonites on dad side , so it is a taste from my youth I still love . I have always had an oversion to spicy foods . Like lots of flavour but little heat so never tried okra .

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:42 am
by thebuildist
I hear the word "savoury" a lot, but beyond a sense of "wholesome" and "yummy" I'm not really sure what it means. Like gravy is savoury but chocolate isn't.

But I've never even heard of "Summer savoury". What does that mean?

Bob

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:13 am
by Eugen
hehe, see what I mean?

We use summer savoury in ground meat for cabbage rolls, and for roasts, and other recipes. The jar you buy in store is flavourless so we grow our own in the garden, dry the stems and leaves and have it all year. The initial seeds I got from my sister who got from elsewhere. Similar to sage but more potent and distinct flavour.

How could one of the best flavouring herbs from Europe never make it to America? :O


Here's the text from wikipedia
Summer savory (Satureja hortensis) is among the best known of the savory genus. It is an annual, but otherwise is similar in use and flavor to the perennial winter savory. It is used more often than winter savory, which has a slightly more bitter flavor.

This herb has lilac tubular flowers which bloom in the northern hemisphere from July to September. It grows to around 30 to 60 cm (1 to 2 ft) in height and has very slender, bronze-green leaves.

Summer savory is a traditional popular herb in Atlantic Canada, where it is used in the same way sage is elsewhere. It is the main flavoring in dressing for many fowl, mixed with ground pork and other basic ingredients to create a thick meat dressing known as cretonnade (cretonade) which may be eaten with turkey, goose and duck. It also is used to make stews such as fricot, and in meat pies. It is usually available year-round in local grocery stores in dried form and is used in varying proportions, sometimes added to recipes in large generous heaping spoonfuls (such as in cretonnade), and sometimes more subtly (as in beans, for which savory has a natural affinity).

Summer savory is a characteristic ingredient of herbes de Provence. It is also widely used as a seasoning for grilled meats and barbecues, as well as in stews and sauces.

Summer savory is preferred over winter savory for use in sausages because of its sweeter, more delicate aroma. It plays an important role in Bulgarian cuisine, providing a strong flavor to a variety of dishes. Instead of salt and pepper, a Bulgarian table will have three condiments: salt, red sweet pepper, and summer savory. When these are mixed it is called sharena sol (шарена сол 'speckled salt').

Summer savory, known as cimbru, is used in Romanian cuisine, especially in sarmale (stuffed cabbage or grape leaf rolls) and in mititei (grilled ground meat rolls).

The plant is called Bohnenkraut in German, bonenkruid in Dutch, sarriette in French, santoreggia in Italian, segurelha in Portuguese, ajedrea in Spanish, θρούμπι (throúbi) in Greek, cząber in Polish, чубрица (chubritsa) in Bulgarian, cimbru in Romanian, borsikafű in Hungarian, чубар (čubar) in Serbian, чабер (chaber) in Ukrainian, and жамбил (jambil) in Uzbek.

Summer savory is raised from seed grown in a rich, light soil. The seeds are very slow in germinating.

The early spring seedlings are often topped for fresh use in June. When the plants are in flower, they may be pulled up and dried for winter use.

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:11 pm
by thebuildist
Well golly! I thought I was smart and well informed. And me and my wife both are from German backgrounds. But neither one of us had ever even heard the term summer savory. And I certainly didn't realize you were talking about a plant.

Like Wikipedia says it's apparently most well known in the Atlantic Canadian region. It does blow my mind that it could be so popular and well known up there, and me having never even heard of it. I mean it would be a drive from my house to yours, but it's not like we're on the other side of the globe. It's not like we don't speak the same language and have a whole lot of shared culture! Especially with our German backgrounds.

Life is crazy sometimes.

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:14 pm
by thebuildist
Now that I think about it, I'll bet the rich highbrow Germans who could afford fancy things like summer savory made their way up north to Canada. And the poor uneducated ones ended up farther south were they failed to teach people like me anything meaningful.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:35 pm
by Spike188
Like Dave, I also have German Mennonite roots. Like Bob, I can't be teached much. Being an Oklahoma transplant to Ontario, okra and cabbage rolls are a part of my culinary taste. The problem is that I haven't learned how to grow okra in Ontario.
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This year the plants are barely knee high and my southern mind says they should be shoulder high.
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So far this years harvest has yielded about a dozen cuttings. Due to the severe drought here a few weeks ago even the small cuttings were on the woody side.

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:40 pm
by Timj
Can't say I have heard of the summer savory here in WI. Cabbage rolls yes, old school traditional dish, probably disappearing with younger generation.
Okra not popular here, haven't heard it mentioned in years. We grew it in the garden a few years when I was a kid. My dad would have to try something new and different every year. I'm sure the big grocery stores would have it.
Funny how regional things are.

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:44 pm
by Eugen
thebuildist wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:14 pm Now that I think about it, I'll bet the rich highbrow Germans who could afford fancy things like summer savory made their way up north to Canada. And the poor uneducated ones ended up farther south were they failed to teach people like me anything meaningful.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
haha, I don't think so Bob. The poor had to add weeds to their otherwise tasteless food, and that's how we ended up with summer savory!

I came to Canada when I was really young and lived in Toronto for many years. There are so many cultures living in Toronto, and I was very curious about other cultures, especially their cuisine. Only once I tasted something that I really hated (lots of cilantro, which I still dislike very much). Otherwise, it was great trying new things. There used to be something called the Food Caravan in Toronto, a street food festival. The different cultures living in Toronto set up Caravans/Stands of food traditional to their place, all over town. So you'd travel from one place to another and try different foods. That was quite an experience, don't know if it's still on.

For instance, now I want to try fried okra, so next time I see it in store I'll get some. :D

Not sure our sourkraut will come out ok, we normally do it in late Fall, when the temperatures are lower. The warm ambient temperature we got now may cause the fermentation to be too fast and things can go into a mush. We'll see, it smells good so far.

One of the things I would like so much to have is a cold cellar. Some hole in the ground with a thick cement wall. We basically live in a swamp here, no way we could have a basement or cold room below ground, it would quickly become a fish tank. Can't have it all in life, that is true.

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:58 pm
by Timj
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: @Eugen that's funny. So poor they had to put weeds on their food. But probably very true. Most that settled in :canada: :usa: didn't have much.

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:24 pm
by DavidBarkey
Timj wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:58 pm :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: @Eugen that's funny. So poor they had to put weeds on their food. But probably very true. Most that settled in :canada: :usa: didn't have much.
Growing up we were so poo we couldn,t' ever afford the "r" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:32 pm
by JSinMO
@Spike188 our plants were short this year too. We got good okra through. Plants are just now getting to shoulder height.
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I’m really enjoying reading what you guys wrote. I too come from a German Heritage but we never had cabbage rolls. Looks good though! Never heard of summer savory either, I guess the Germans around here used different weeds on there food!
@Eugen naturally store bought okra won’t be as good as fresh, but if you try it I bread ours in cornmeal, fry it in vegetable oil, and salt and pepper to taste as soon as they come out.

It is interesting what is regional. The conversation made me think of a few possibilities. Around here toasted ravioli is common but I have heard a lot of areas never heard of it. Pork steaks is another one that is staple around here but you can’t get it in other places. One that used to popular around here is cow brains. It used to be common to go to a restaurant or watering hole and see a cow brain sandwich on the menu. My mother used to cook them regularly with scrambled eggs and bacon. I think that went out of style when the big stockyards closed here.

Do you guys see chicken liver and gizzards in your areas? It pretty common here.

I know there are others that I can’t think of now.
Anyway interesting conversation guys, keep up the good work!

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:21 pm
by Timj
JSinMO wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:32 pm @Spike188 our plants were short this year too. We got good okra through. Plants are just now getting to shoulder height. FB791BA3-8A01-4619-B7D1-23ED4A8097A7.jpeg

I’m really enjoying reading what you guys wrote. I too come from a German Heritage but we never had cabbage rolls. Looks good though! Never heard of summer savory either, I guess the Germans around here used different weeds on there food!
@Eugen naturally store bought okra won’t be as good as fresh, but if you try it I bread ours in cornmeal, fry it in vegetable oil, and salt and pepper to taste as soon as they come out.

It is interesting what is regional. The conversation made me think of a few possibilities. Around here toasted ravioli is common but I have heard a lot of areas never heard of it. Pork steaks is another one that is staple around here but you can’t get it in other places. One that used to popular around here is cow brains. It used to be common to go to a restaurant or watering hole and see a cow brain sandwich on the menu. My mother used to cook them regularly with scrambled eggs and bacon. I think that went out of style when the big stockyards closed here.

Do you guys see chicken liver and gizzards in your areas? It pretty common here.

I know there are others that I can’t think of now.
Anyway interesting conversation guys, keep up the good work!
Luv pork steaks, always said if I had a restaurant they would be on the menu. Never see them on a menu here.
They are much harder to find around here, but growing up there was always a fight for the heart,liver, and gizzard. Can't get them out, only at home. Rarely see pickled turkey gizzards, sausages, or eggs on the backbar any more either.

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:35 pm
by Eugen
Never heard of toasted ravioli. But pork steak yes, big time. We consider the best cut to be from around the shoulder.

Brains are eaten usually from the pig or lamb where I grew up, but I never liked it. Chicken liver and gizzard were common on the table but again, I didn't like it much.

I'll try the okra as you say Jeff. We fry slices of eggplant like that, and sometimes zucchini.

@DavidBarkey it seems we might have derailed your topic a little, if you want to keep it clean about canning we can create another topic for this other stuff. :D

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:30 am
by DavidBarkey
@Eugen Sometimes you need to take that winding road and see where it leads you . The only thing derailed is my train of thought .
@JSinMO The only things shoulder high here are the older grand-kids , corn and weeds :violin: .
We have pork chops here not steaks , not sure what is the difference .

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:39 am
by JSinMO
@DavidBarkey its the cut. Pork steaks come from the shoulder. They tend to have more fat content but they are tasty! Pork chops are cut from the loin.

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:54 am
by Timj
DavidBarkey wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:30 am @Eugen Sometimes you need to take that winding road and see where it leads you . The only thing derailed is my train of thought .
@JSinMO The only things shoulder high here are the older grand-kids , corn and weeds :violin: .
We have pork chops here not steaks , not sure what is the difference .
Chops come from off the loin, the pork steaks are cut from the front shoulder. They are darker meat then chops and have fat divisions running through them. Not as lean as a chop but great distinct flavor. They're still pretty reasonably priced. I had posted some on the grill a couple of weeks ago. I like them with just season salt and pepper on the grill, sometimes BBQ sauce.

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:36 am
by Eugen
So glad to see we're not the only ones who like the pork steak. We get the whole pork shoulder and cut the steaks as we like. Not a great fan of all the fat, but much of it gets trimmed, and what's left gives good taste. :D

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:53 pm
by DavidBarkey
I don't normally shed a tear when having to butcher stuff . But those onions had to go . It did bring a tear to my eye while doing the dirty deed . :((

Re: Todays canning

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:03 pm
by Eugen
DavidBarkey wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:53 pm I don't normally shed a tear when having to butcher stuff . But those onions had to go . It did bring a tear to my eye while doing the dirty deed . :((
:rofl: