Colt Case Ingersoll Garden Tractors

Found this on youtube





Never seen a Diesel Case GT, interesting. He's tilling about as slow as I usually do, because I like going deep.

I’ve seen a few of his videos. Perkins diesel in it, I think.

Noel

I like how it purrs

The "D's" came with a 3 cylinder 18hp Perkins.
I don't know if there was a big advantage to having the diesel but they sure sound good.

I'd say that little Perkins has more torque than my 14HP Kohler. There's a proverb we have "He who has teeth can gnaw on bones."

Ya, it definitely does, but the torque kinda gets lost when just turning a hydraulic pump.

Although I don't know what the max torque supported by the travel hydraulic system, I'm thinking that if you, let's say, plow with a moldboard, and your engine gets bogged down while the rear wheels are no longer turning, and if the pressure relief in the TCV doesn't kick in, then you have not maxed out the torque capability of the travel hydraulic system.

The fact is that I am able to bog down my 14HP Kohler with enough weight on the rear and AG tires, and the pressure relief valve on the travel control doesn't kick in.

That being said though, having a look at some current Perkins diesel engines of similar size

Let's take the 403D-07 model.

Displacement 0.7L, 20.5HP at 3600 RPM, 50Nm at 2400 RPM max torque, or about 36.9 lb ft. In comparison, the Onan P220G has about 32.5 lb ft max torque at 2400 RPM. The difference is not that crazy after all. (sour grapes)

Timj wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:39 am Ya, it definitely does, but the torque kinda gets lost when just turning a hydraulic pump.

Yes until heavy load on wett pto . I caught a hold of a root with the tiller and stalled Frankie before .

Dave

Eugen wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:27 pm That being said though, having a look at some current Perkins diesel engines of similar size


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Let's take the 403D-07 model.

Displacement 0.7L, 20.5HP at 3600 RPM, 50Nm at 2400 RPM max torque, or about 36.9 lb ft. In comparison, the Onan P220G has about 32.5 lb ft max torque at 2400 RPM. The difference is not that crazy after all. (sour grapes)

Oh, I’m sure you would see a difference when using it.

Noel

Eugen wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:27 pm That being said though, having a look at some current Perkins diesel engines of similar size


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Let's take the 403D-07 model.

Displacement 0.7L, 20.5HP at 3600 RPM, 50Nm at 2400 RPM max torque, or about 36.9 lb ft. In comparison, the Onan P220G has about 32.5 lb ft max torque at 2400 RPM. The difference is not that crazy after all. (sour grapes)

I remember someone on the other group swapped out a Onan for a diesel. He described the diesel as a fuel sipper compared to the Onan.


Gordy

Gordy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:17 pm

Eugen wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:27 pm That being said though, having a look at some current Perkins diesel engines of similar size


Screen Shot 2022-02-02 at 12.19.41.png

Let's take the 403D-07 model.

Displacement 0.7L, 20.5HP at 3600 RPM, 50Nm at 2400 RPM max torque, or about 36.9 lb ft. In comparison, the Onan P220G has about 32.5 lb ft max torque at 2400 RPM. The difference is not that crazy after all. (sour grapes)

I remember someone on the other group swapped out a Onan for a diesel. He described the diesel as a fuel sipper compared to the Onan.


Gordy

I am going diesel in The Bride and Frankie II just for that reason . But they are going to be summer they will be put away for winter .

Dave

I see he is pushing the tractor with the tiller now and then. Happens with my 448, also with the center drive tiller. It even happens some with the side drive tiller. It isn't as difficult to till deep with the side drive tiller, because it is heavier, and you don't have the gear case going under the center pipe of the tiller. The gear case is contained in the wedge on the LH side drive mechanization. That wedge does a good job of cutting the sod on that side also.

Most of my garden tilling customers have been impressed with which ever tiller I have used, though!

Bill

Good points Bill! I am not unhappy with my Case tiller, I do go slow and deep, and that's fine. Beats the hell out of doing it by hand with a digging spade and hoe, which I've done before I had the tiller. I'm looking forward to installing the flow control valve one day, when I'll source the proper piping.

I have been happy with either one. I used my center drive tiller for 27 years, so obviously not too upset at it. My FIL thought his John Deere tiller was built heavier than mine (John Deere 400 and tiller with PTO shaft drive), and it is. He thought his would last longer. All I can say is that when my center drive left here about 5 years ago it had been used the year before. That is when I tried my side drive tiller and decided to keep it. The guy I sold the center drive was tickled to get it and for the price I sold it.

Bill Moyer

I have a center drive and after using a troybilt for years, I wasn't impressed. It's so slow with the troybilt but it does a fantastic job. I was thinking of trying to find a side drive but haven't seen one for sale here locally. Last year I started with the center drive then finished with the troybilt. I think I'm going to slow down on gardening anyways.

Keep the Peace
Harry

They can have a gear replaced to make the center drive tiller run faster. My side drive tiller runs a lot faster than the center drive tiller did. In some past discussions on the old site somebody told how to go about making the center drives run faster, and apparently it was a gear change.

Bill

Seabee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:17 pm They can have a gear replaced to make the center drive tiller run faster. My side drive tiller runs a lot faster than the center drive tiller did. In some past discussions on the old site somebody told how to go about making the center drives run faster, and apparently it was a gear change.

Bill

I did that gear change . Yes it did make an improvement . I have never had any other tillers than the Case centre drive and the Roper rear tine walk behind . The Roper is a great machine but is a bear to turn at the end of the row .

Dave

A little off topic, but I have a tiller for my LGT 165 Ford. Works great and spins fast. 8” or so deep. I also have a tiller fo my Massey Ferguson 12. It’s fun to use. But it’s not as good as the Ford.

Noel

I was looking on the original site in the archives. I saw a post that reads for the center drive there are two different sprockets, 11 tooth and 13 tooth. For the side drive there are three, 13 tooth, 15 tooth and 17 tooth. It also reads that for the center drive you have to change the length of the chain. For the side drive the motor has three different mounting positions so you don't have to change the length of the chain.

Keep the Peace
Harry

@Harry sorry, can you please elaborate about what didn't impress you with the center drive? I have tilled our garden a few times with my center drive, including with a 220. But first I ran the moldboard plough deep through the whole garden, and only then the tiller, at a very slow speed, and very deep. Inch at a time . I can tell you that the soil was so puffy and soft, and very small clods, going at least 8" deep. I can't imagine the soil can be better than this. Therefore, I wonder what you got with the center drive that you didn't like.

Eugen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:30 am @Harry sorry, can you please elaborate about what didn't impress you with the center drive? I have tilled our garden a few times with my center drive, including with a 220. But first I ran the moldboard plough deep through the whole garden, and only then the tiller, at a very slow speed, and very deep. Inch at a time . I can tell you that the soil was so puffy and soft, and very small clods, going at least 8" deep. I can't imagine the soil can be better than this. Therefore, I wonder what you got with the center drive that you didn't like.

As compared to the quality of tilling I get with my Troybilt, the center drive did not meet my expectations. I do have some heavy clay soil and the center drive did not break it up like the Troybilt. I went over the area slowly at full throttle in different directions and it still did not match what my Troybilt does. I don't have a plough but maybe I should. Like I said earlier I think I'm slowly getting out of gardening like I use to. The last few years I planted pumpkins for the grand-children and some hot peppers for myself.

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Harry